Monday, March 2, 2009

Trial Musings 7: Grant "Cuadra Convicter" Roy Takes The Stand


As reported on PC's blog, prosecutors have been questioning Grant this morning, and are now beginning to play the CCTs and BBTs.

Thus far, no huge surprises...but one tidbit of trivia was revealed: That the Crab Catcher recordings were made possible by a "recording device Roy wore on his belt buckle."

Also interesting:

"After Kocis was killed, Roy told the jury that Cuadra called Lockhart and referred him to wnep.com on Jan. 25, 2007.

"Lockhart was concerned that we were next," Roy testified. During that phone call on Jan. 25, Lockhart had testified Cuadra said to him, "I guess my guy went overboard.""
I guess they are going to play hours of tapes for a while, then get into defense cross-examination. I am curious to see if they'll try to bring up the disputed "Caleb Carter" incident with Grant, as I speculated they might.

Developing...

Update: While we await developments, here's an artistic interlude...the large mural painting above the bench in Harlow trial Courtroom Two...

A decorative panel painted by W. T. Smedley, placed over the Judge’s bench in Court Room No. 2.

Update 2: Hmmm, this is interesting; Grant told Harlow and Joe at the Vegas dinner suspicions would have been reciprocal, regardless of who died:

"“I told them ‘If something happened to Bryan, they’re going to show up at my door the next day. If something happened to either one of us they’re going to show up at his door the next day,’” Roy said."
In other words, had Harlow and Joe killed Sean and/or Grant instead, for over two years we would have been hearing" "Bryan Kocis has blood on his hands!!!!!!"

Update 3: Ah, and here is more on what Grant told them regarding the settlement agreement:

"“Harlow and both Joe seemed a little eager to get this production under way,” Roy said. “I didn’t see the need to rush. At various times, I expressed to them I didn’t think it’d be a problem if we could get out from this mediation (with Kocis).”

Roy said a settlement between Lockhart and Kocis was nearly finished. The settlement would allow Lockhart to act again under his screen name Brent Corrigan. Because the settlement was still being negotiated, Roy said, he couldn’t reveal that information to Cuadra or Kerekes. But as the seven-course dinner progressed, he said, both men were drinking excessively and became more insistent.

“(Kerekes) said, ‘Harlow has this guy who will do anything for him,'” Roy testified. Roy said he took this statement to mean murder.

Roy’s testimony was stopped for a brief recess...."
It sounds like my earlier guess was pretty darn close:

"I believe what happened at the dinner was, Sean and Grant politely listened to Harlow and Joe's drunken sales pitch (complete with breaking glassware), nodded their heads a lot...and then more or less gave Harlow and Joe the brush off. And they used the current settlement talks with Bryan as a convenient brushing excuse (ie, "...well, sounds good, but we have to wrap up this lawsuit thing, so, maybe sometime, ok? We'll call you later. And thanks for dinner!")."
Update 4: Off topic: Witness Renee Martin threatens blogger Elmysterio: "El sure dont want me to tell all the shit I know on him cause that would make heads fly." (1:48pm).

Update 5: Looks like we're done for the day; CCTs played, BBTs tomorrow. Quicky has a brief courtwatcher comment over on PC's thread (6:52pm). Meanwhile, back in San Diego, life goes on...

Update 6: Grant on cross-examination now; via PC's blog:

"3:09 PM: The Times Leader reports adult film producer Grant Roy said he believes his profession of producing gay pornographic movies is "an art."

Roy made the commnets while being questioned by Harlow Cuadra's attorney, Joseph D'Andrea.

D'Andrea is attacking Roy about his profession, suggesting Roy makes money by selling sex involving young men."
Attacking Roy about his profession? Really? An intriguing defense strategy. I wonder if the jury is looking at Harlow during this?

Someone remind me, what kind of work was Harlow involved in again? I THINK it had something to do with making money, selling...um, something...involving, um, some people...darn it, I wish somebody would jog my memory here!

Update 7: And the Times Leader finishes up with a few additional details from the cross-examination of Grant Roy. No real bombshells here; main points seem to be

1) Grant fully admitted on the stand he had motive up the wazoo to kill Bryan Kocis. He talked freely about the bogus trademark lawsuit, the CCBill freeze, the 'Cobra Killer' blog...he even candidly admitted to investigators he wanted Kocis dead, during one of the six interviews with police.

2) Grant begun to answer "reluctantly" when the topic switiched from motive to the tapes. After a bit of badgering, D'Andrea got Grant to say the obvious: That Harlow never specifically said "I killed Bryan!" Melnick came back and got Grant to state the equally obvious: That Harlow described the moment Bryan died.

3) The defense apparantly tried to get Grant to admit Joe was the one who was doing most of the "pressuring" to film; Grant testified it was both.

I'd like to get Quicky's take on this (he was there, right?), but my overall impression is that the cross-examination was a bit of a lost opportunity. Since Grant was willing to be so chatty and open about the bad blood that existed between him and Bryan, they should have just run with that; and not wasted time with obvious stuff (Harlow on the tapes), subjective stuff (Joe's influence) and silly stuff (attacking Grant for being a filmmaker of the same ouevre as Harlow).

Update 8: From the Citizen's Voice; Grant also clarified what went down during the legendary "hit man" conversation:

"During cross-examination, Roy also admitted to saying several times he wanted to kill Kocis, because of the very heated negotiations about Lockhart’s working status. Roy also said a model who worked for him referred to hiring a hitman to kill Kocis, but he laughed it off.

“You said if you were going to kill him you would do it yourself?” D’Andrea asked.

“Yes,” Roy responded.

“That’s how bad the blood was between you?” D’Andrea asked.

“There was some pretty heavy things (said) at the time,” Roy said."

23 comments:

Geoff Harvard said...

"Elmysterio: "El sure dont want me to tell all the shit I know on him cause that would make heads fly." (1:48pm)."

Whew, I can smell the alcohol fumes all the way down here in Florida. Either QS got that 1.5 of vodka to her last night as I suggested, or else she called room service this morning.

jim said...

I get the impression the prosecution will not want her on the stand for very long.

C.C. said...

If that oppugnant woman had anything on Elm she would have already said it. Maybe we should lump that threat with all the other threats she spews about having people arrested.

And for the love of god Quicky please wear something warm! I just don't think I can handle another round of "OMG, he said he was cold."

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Over on PC I am badgering the witness (Renee Martin)which is aggravating PC since he,BB and Renee have a Ménage à trois going on over the weekend.

But hey she better get used to the question I can assure you the Defense will zero in on it.

I will make sure of it! LOL

Blogger DeWayne In San Diego said...

Renee no actually it didn't the info on you came from a different source who seemed to know all about your "special work on Joe and Harlows behalf"

Never mind the "third party version"

Why Renee Martin are you the ONLY witness with a material Witness bond?

You better get used to the question, because I assure you Harlows attorneys will bring it up.

Any Competent defense Attorney would! Its all about impugning and destroying a witness's integrity something you are VERY familiar with.

PC said...

"DeWayne In San Diego said...
Over on PC I am badgering the witness (Renee Martin)which is aggravating PC
"

Doesn't aggravate me in the least... other than the whole discussion was off-topic. :)

will g said...

"Roy further told the jury that there were a number of phone calls and e-mails from Cuadra and Kerekes after Kocis' death, pushing them into filming.

"'I told them just keep away from us,' Roy said."

That last little tidbit from Roy seems to be new. No wonder Joe was suspicious of being taped at the Crab Catcher -- Grant did a 180 from "keep away from us" to "Sure, fly out here and we'll take you to dinner and discuss filming with you." It's actually pretty transparent.

jim said...

Yeah. It still worked out nice though, because at the Crab Catcher, Grant was able to use that past disapproval to enact "The Scolding," which elited some of the more incriminatory (and exculpatory, towards Sean and Grant) statements from Joe.

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Jim as usual your doing a bang up job as "Color comentary"

I do understand you get tired of the personal attack comments just like PC.

So to save you all the aggravation.

I have opened up an UN-MODERATED Trial Watchers Thread on my Political Blog.

The only proviso known members of the Kocis Kabal are not welcome.

http://purplerantsandviews.blogspot.com/2009/03/censored-comments-thread.html

This post is Sticky and will remain at the top of Purple Rants until the Trials Conclusion.

jim said...

OK. :-)

DeWayne In San Diego said...

yeah I know asking for trouble right ;)

elmysterio said...

Is it just me or is there really somethng strange with Grant's testimony. Grant says that if Joe and Harlow killed he and Sean Bryan would be blamed and visa versa.

But what would make Sean and Grant scared of Joe and Harlow if the reason that they wanted Bryan dead was to work with Sean.

I just does not make any sense to me. Kill the golden goose to piss of Bryan, I don't think so. Sean and Grant were never in any danger from Joe and Harlow.

They wanted to work with Sean so killing him would be senseless. As far as Harlow being all in love with Sean that is wrong as well.

As far as communication between Sean and grant most of it was Joe.
he is the one I always spoke to on the phone and he is the one who always emaild me from Harlow's email account.

He is also the one who was Mark,Joe and Trent on the blogs.
he was the main source of communication with everyone regarding this case. He even wrote Harlow's blog for him.

Grant sent the invatation for Joe and Harlow to come to San Diego not the otherway around as was mentioned in the newspaper.

Barry Taylor was concerned about this and so were several other people. I spoke to Joe and he said that he was exicted about finnaly seeing Sean and Grant after all of this.

No one wanted them to go to San Diego. I told them that it was a trap. Joe agreed and and he said that they would be careful. I spoke to them at least three times while they were in San Diego and they knew they were being recorded.

Joe even sent me a picture of Sean and Harlow on the beach that morning and asked me to post it which I did after much debate.

What ever they said in those tapes was a joke that backfired badly. They were laughing about the bullshit that they told Sean and Grant after it was all said and done.

That could very well be the reason that i was not called as a prosecution witness. I would not be of any help to the states case.

To tell you the truth the validity of the beach tapes and the crabcatcher tapes is questionable in my book.

jim said...

Elm, could you clarify that? Exactly WHEN did you talk them while they were in SD? Before or after the Restaurant/Beach?

And how did the "know" they were being recorded?

"They were laughing about the bullshit that they told Sean and Grant after it was all said and done."

How do you know that?

Honestly Elm, I think they suddenly "knew" they were recorded long after they were caught. It's a common face-saving mechanism when criminals get cuaght on tape, witness Joran Van Der Sloot:

http://silenceofthechinchillas.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-van-der-harlow.html

will g said...

"What ever they said in those tapes was a joke that backfired badly. They were laughing about the bullshit that they told Sean and Grant after it was all said and done."

That is one of the most far-fetched things I have ever read, Elm. They were JOKING on a suspected wiretap about killing Bryan? I really think you need to step back and look at what you're saying.

jim said...

Yeah. "Lets play a practical joke on all those cops! We'll make believe we are murderers on wires we know exist. Then get arrested! Then put on trial...in a death penalty state! Weeee...!!! Ha, what fun!"

C.C. said...

I'm confused...if Grant was the one wearing the wire how were H&J still being recorded AFTER Grant and Sean dropped them off?

PC said...

"To tell you the truth the validity of the beach tapes and the crabcatcher tapes is questionable in my book."

The validity?

It's Sean, Grant, Harlow, and Joe's voices... how much more validity do you need? :)

jim said...

"C.C. said...
I'm confused...if Grant was the one wearing the wire how were H&J still being recorded AFTER Grant and Sean dropped them off?"

I don't think they were. But there was some banter between Sean and Grant in the car, after they left.

Read the last entry on PC's Crab Catcher Transcripts to view those. They begin with Brent saying "I'm going to puke" or some such.

C.C. said...

Thank you Jim!

Anonymous said...

Grant's a goodlooking guy.

quickysrt said...

C.C. said...
"And for the love of god Quicky please wear something warm! I just don't think I can handle another round of "OMG, he said he was cold."
----

Oh dear lordy, I walked over to the court this morning in 15 degree wind and snowing. I thought my ears were for sure going to be frost bitten. I had to stop and hold them with my warm fingers which were in coat pockets.

The other days here were cold, sure, but this day gave me a new understanding of the term "bitter cold".

I went out to lunch with a cardboard box over my head with cut out part to see though. People looked at me like I was crazy when crossing streets, and I did not care. It kept my head and ears almost warm. I did not think to bring a ski mask or anything other than baseball cap when packing for my "winter camping trip" to PA.

Anonymous said...

quicky,
LOL!!!
You poor thing- you made me laugh but I know how uncomfortable you were-
I would have warmed your ears! :)

DeWayne In San Diego said...

OH NO! Quicky now YOU KNOW WHO will claim he was in PA!

LOL

Rob said...

Jim writes, "I get the impression the prosecution will not want her on the stand for very long."

That would be prudent.