Update: And now that my emotion is adequately conveyed, here are the details. It's a complete sweep, guilty on all 12 counts, the homicide charge graded as 1st degree murder. Deliberation time: 3.5 hours. The death penalty phase commences tomorrow.
Prediction: Death. This was one pissed off jury, to go down this complex checklist of charges so quickly. The most obvious blame for this rests with Harlow, and foolish decision to ignore his lawyers' advice, and take the stand. The jury was clearly NOT amused.
Oh and then there's the other people, those who encouraged Harlow's folly. But I'll save THAT blame discussion for a future post...
Update 2: A programming reminder, you can view WNEP live here; it is 4pm EDT now, so, in exactly one hour they'll have their first post-verdict news broadcast.
Update 3: Times Leader video...
Update 4: You see Will? If you want to be first to comment on a new thread, you have to be quick, you have to be alert, and you have to be on the ball:
Update 5: You know, after all the excitement of the past couple weeks, this sounds like a great way to relax, break free, and put the whole drama out of one's mind for a day:
"Next week is supposed to climb in the high 80’s in temperature here in San Diego. I am looking forward to hitting the nude beach with the boys at some point. It will be my first time with the sand between my cheeks since . . . July 5th, I think?"I'm planning on dining with friends at one of my favorite seafood restaurants this weekend myself.
Update 6: PC has done his usual stellar job of providing a round-up of all the relevant news this morning; most interesting to me was the interviews of alternate jurors now dismissed and ungagged from the case:
"Cuadra’s testimony had too many holes in it, said two of the three alternate jurors, who heard all the testimony but were released before the jury began deliberations.Update 7: Here's the skinny on how today's DP trial will go; sounds to me like it'll be all wrapped up in one day...today:
The two men both said they had trouble believing parts of Cuadra’s story. Cuadra testified Kerekes had set up a meeting with Kocis ... but in the middle of the meeting, Kerekes stormed in the house and slashed Kocis’ throat.
“It seems like he didn’t finish his thoughts,” alternate juror four Francis Kopko said. “Some of it seemed credible and then you wondered about some aspects.”"
"The jury is expected to hear testimony from Kocis’ family, Cuadra’s family and likely psychiatrists before it deliberates Cuadra’s punishment of life in prison without parole or death.Update 8: Penalty phase continued to Monday, thereby averting this problem for Harlow.
Olszewski said he will have the jury deliberate until a verdict is reached today. If the jury is unable to reach a unanimous decision for the death penalty, Olszewski is mandated by law to sentence Cuadra to life in prison without parole."
Update 9: Good article on what Harlow may face on death row in PA here.
Update 10: I just added a poll, to your upper right. Note the one-word difference from PC's poll question. It'll be interesting to compare results...
Update 11: Times Leader Sunday editorial on Harlow's sentencing defense: "The jury looked either unmoved or inscrutable."
Update 12: Harlow stabs director/supporter John Roecker in the back with a hot butter knife, saying “At the time, I didn’t know (Roecker) was recording my voice, our conversations in order to make a documentary until way later on,” when Melnick used the Roecker interview to impeach Harlow (as I predicted would happen).
129 comments:
I imagine they took a preliminary poll right after electing a foreman and found that they already were unanimous. The question to the judge was to quash any lingering doubts. We should have sent in enough decks of cards for a bridge tournament to keep them occupied until at least 5:00.
I'm speechless, I just wanted to be the first to post in this thread.
And don't gloat, Jim!
Do you think there is a pity party over at Elm's yet? Oh, that's right, it's only the crack of noon out on the coast. He probably hasn't heard the news yet.
Sorry Will, Geoff appears to have beaten you.
"And don't gloat, Jim!"
Gloating? Naw, not my style. ;-)
Damn you Geoff, I wanted to be first.
The early bird catches the worm.
EL MYSTERIO: "You all got what you wanted, are you happy?"
JIM: "Elated!"
Hmmm. This blog has had over 125 hits in the past 27 minutes, all to see a gold statue. Hmmm. :-)
And yes, I'm sure it's a drop in the bucket to what PC is likely registering.
I shoulda signed up for Google Ads today. Oh well.
"will g said...
EL MYSTERIO: "You all got what you wanted, are you happy?"
JIM: "Elated!""
Huh, is it that obvious? I was trying to be subtle.
:-)
I'm sure Bryan's family is relieved that the verdict was rendered, without a deal or without some lesser included offense.
All counts?
That means the Death Penalty is still on the table.
Jim, you need to take bets on when the first "Wrongly Convicted / Free Harlow" post / site / movement / escort-party will happen.
Wow, that was fast.
I left the office and they were deliberating. I arrived home and Harlow is fucked.
He was fucked on May 15, 2007, but was too badly mislead to realize it.
From another site:
"I'm always surprised when the "But I'm Pretty" defense doesn't work."
EL MYSTERIO: "You all got what you wanted, are you happy?"
That is hypocrisy at its worst. Who was it that was egging certain suspects on by encouraging them to "Stand tall, proud and erect."
Obviously, Harlow was offered the same deal as Joe Kerekes. May be Joe was the smarter of the grifting pair.
Jody your prediction of a Free the Wrongfully Convicted Harlow is most likely in the oven.
Jody, as to your "bet," I would be flat-footed astonished if the "Bitchless Blog" doesn't sieze that honor.
I'm amazed they haven't done so yet, in fact...
that was fast!
Harlow will be VERY disappointed if he does not receive the death Penalty.
Reviewing his "ill-advised" testimony on the stand he was either...
1.Harlow was delusional and believed his "act" and his "abused spouse" story would play well with the jury.
2.More likely in my opinion for the mastermind of this murder (yes I am convinced Harlow planned and initiated the crime) Harlow had decided he preferred the death penalty to Life in Prison.
Well, if Harlow really wanted the DP he is a fool. PC had a post a while back on the difference between being in solitary on death row, and being in the general population. Death row is hell on earth in comparison.
And due to mandatory appeals, Harlow will get at least ten years of that hell on earth.
Here is a short video of Harlow after the conviction: http://www.timesleader.com/news/Verdict_in_Cuadra_case_.html
DeWayne In San Diego said...
1.Harlow was delusional and believed his "act" and his "abused spouse" story would play well with the jury.
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Oh, but Harlow was totally fucked so fucking hard before he even thought about taking the stand.
That was an act of desperation after tapes, tapes, and even more tapes were shown to the jury.
Sassy took an optimistic view of those fucking tapes, and I tried too to think that well, there is some doubt. And on each piece of evidence I'll admit there could have been a shread of doubt, um, but oh, when you put all those pieces together.............. they could not find any doubt here.
That is the problem with some, they could not see that tree through the forest. But that jury of all over 40, with many over 50 saw the tree. And it was not a pretty picture.
Maybe John Roecker can spring for another $300 television set for Harlow if he gets a life sentence, it's the least he could do.
V.J. said...
that was fast!
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It took only two and a half weeks to sort through two years of BS.
All counts is not just "guilty", but adds a stinging slap in the face of Harlow. I might be reading something into it, but it seems they are sending a message, and they wish that the message be loud and clear.
Geoff, re contract bridge, good, and how fitting, the jury played one set of rubbers.
that was one angry jury, and one very delusional defendant.
DeWayne, I'm really not sure if Harlow even knows what is truth and what isn't.
I don't mean he's some kind of delusional, ill person. He knows right from wrong. But when I joked that I'd call Harlow's biopic "The Wonderfully Wacky World of Harlow Cuadra, Boy Genius" it's because I really think he lives in a world of deep denial about everything.
Harlow probably "believes" the shit he's peddling: "I'm good." "I'm a hero." "My guy did it." He could even have blame devery bad deed he's done in his life on his "guy."
If were sexually assaulted from age 8 on, people do develop a lot of coping mechanisms, especially when you are told by everyone in the family that nothing is going on.
Again, please note that the vast majority of people who were sexually abused by their step-parents don't grow up to become criminals.
Also note that I've never interviewed Harlow so I don't know. People I've worked with like Harlow have exhibited similar reasonings.
For Harlow, all that we know for sure is that his history led him to chose to kill -- and he most likely will die for it.
Dumbshit.
note, video image of what it is to be dazed: see, Harlow.
Re Jim, I usually agree with you, but Harlow had to take the stand; there was no reasonable doubt anywhere. He was doomed otherwise. The jury just didn't buy the story, and we didn't either.
Is it your thinking that his testimony just insulted them, heightening their dislike of him?
"Is it your thinking that his testimony just insulted them, heightening their dislike of him?"
Yes.
I honestly thought he had 2nd degree cinched, with an outside shot at even a lesser homicide, once the bedroom gunshot episode got told.
But he blew it all on the stand. Stupid stupid stupid!
Well, after the DP phase is over, they'll maybe have some press interviews with jurors, and if so, we'll get a look into their thinking perhaps.
Wow. The Cuadra family walking out of the courtroom, down the hall, mother in hysterics like that. Sadness.
AND anger. Yes, morphing emotions here folks. Initial elation, followed by a moment of sadness...now ANGER. ANGER at those who talked Harlow into fighting this thing for two years.
Who talked Harlow into DEATH.
Well, I guess we don't know the death part for sure yet, do we?
Well, we'll see...I'll hold off on the anger for now, I guess.
I need to take a walk, folks. BRB...
I'm going to go out for lunch too and take in the air and sky.
jim said...
Well, if Harlow really wanted the DP he is a fool. PC had a post a while back on the difference between being in solitary on death row, and being in the general population. Death row is hell on earth in comparison.
And due to mandatory appeals, Harlow will get at least ten years of that hell on earth.
As I've said earlier, I think, based on things Harlow has said earlier, he chose to go to trial rather than entering into the same kind of plea agreement that Joe did because he preferred to risk the death penalty rather than accept life without parole.
You mention "mandatory appeals". Could not Harlow waive his right to such appeals?
I guess we'll get the answers shortly.
I don't think so Prof. I'll look into it though...
jim said...
"Sadness.
AND anger. Yes, morphing emotions here folks. Initial elation, followed by a moment of sadness...now ANGER. ANGER at those who talked Harlow into fighting this thing for two years."
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Jim, are those chinchillas still crying?
I'm wasn't sad enough, long enough, to cry over this, to be honest.
Jim, you called it right.
Thanks to all those that testified so faithfully and with grace. Love conquers all.
The past few years have taken much from many of us in different ways.
As a brit the words of Donne struck me as somewhat apposite today.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee.
The bubbly has been shared and drunk, but in reality it is through relief rather than joy.
Tomorrow is another day.
CAD
CAD! Good to hear from you...hope you're doing well.
Times Leader: The jury asked Olszewski if they could convict Harlow Cuadra of first-degree homicide if he was an accomplice and didn't actually slit Bryan Kocis' throat.
Jury Verdict: guilty
My bet: life without poss of parole cuz I don't think jury thought he committed the murder, and they won't give him more than Joe.
Delusional, but sane: he's delusional cuz he thought this cock and bull story would be believed by the jury; he thought his charm and cute prep looks would carry the day, as I'm sure it had for most of his life.
Wikipedia, not the best source, but on point:
"Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental illness that involves holding one or more non-bizarre delusions in the absence of any other significant psychopathology (signs or symptoms of mental illness)."
U can be delusional and sane; as we all know, sanity is a legal term, able to tell right from wrong (ok, there is a minority view, but that's on point);
he knew it was wrong, he participated in covering up the crime, and immediately sought the spoils from the crime.
Jody said...
DeWayne, I'm really not sure if Harlow even knows what is truth and what isn't.
I don't mean he's some kind of delusional, ill person. He knows right from wrong. But when I joked that I'd call Harlow's biopic "The Wonderfully Wacky World of Harlow Cuadra, Boy Genius" it's because I really think he lives in a world of deep denial about everything.
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That Jody - is part of what is sad to me about this guy. Harlow was creative and energetic with ideas, and had optimism. An unreal optimism, perhaps a fatal optimism. And of course some pretty good looks.
Starting up a website and making a profit in a week! And of course I read all "his" comments in the forums asking for help with everything from billing, logos, dvd dupes, and editing software.
He was living a "Wonderfully Wacky World" even if not a "Boy Genius" in any stretch of the term.
But he had a unique set of skills and talent, and with (even a little more) education, focus, and of course some "upright standing" example set for him, he would have done great things. He had it all even without the cars, house or Joe.
It is a spectacular crash that played out in slow motion, and "Wonderfully Wacky World" and "Boy Genius" (even if he was not) is pretty fitting. It puts a somewhat joyful positive spin on a sad sorid story. Just what it takes (to sell it).
I think we'll get some more answers to these questions once the gag order is lifted (following the DP phase).
I hope the escort/roommates (Justin, Andrew, Adam, etc...) do sit-down interviews in the media after all is said and done; they are the only reliable sources into the "why" of all this, IMO.
Justice was served.
For myself I would prefer death over life in prison.
I am unsure what to think at this phase of things.
We will never know what happened that night,
who instigated who?
was it a total joint "instigation"?
who cut Kocis' throat?
who stabbed him 28 times in the groin?
I guess we do not need to know,
they were both involved and "together" committed the murder-
I guess nothing else matters-
A very, very friggin sad state of affairs.
I agree, VJ, about the we will never know part. And about it not mattering, really.
That this epic will have a perpetually unanswered riddle simply adds to it's aura.
>That Jody - is part of what is sad to me about this guy. Harlow was creative and energetic with ideas, and had optimism. An unreal optimism, perhaps a fatal optimism. And of course some pretty good looks.
I do feel for him. Harlow got a short stick at birth and then was beaten with it for much of his early life. He did though try to do the right thing when he went into the military, only to mess it up with a repeated series of bad choices after he left.
He did have the looks to make it in porn. He might have even made it as a porn director -- in time -- but he got wrapped up in drugs and debt and Cthulhu knows what else.
His "optimism" has also brought him to the point where he really might be executed in prison. I'm certain he got numerous chances to cop to a lesser charge, to live out his life in jail, even to perhaps have a chance at parole late in life. But his capacity for self deception kept him on this course.
One of the things I've learned -- though not well, as I keep having to retake the test-- is that smart people do dumb things for what they see as smart reasons.
Some of Harlow's smart reasons can be found in all of his various plans. "If I dress in a good suit and tell a good story I can't be convicted." "There's no direct physical evidence to tie me to the death." "All I need to do is convince one person on the jury I'm innocent with my tears..." It's all the kind of stuff a thinking person would formulate.
Wrongly.
>The past few years have taken much from many of us in different ways.
CAD, in hindsight, your comments did a lot to take a lot from at one person involved in this case, if not more.
While I recognize your loss of and grief regarding your friend Bryan, I'd be remiss if I didn't say that I think your comments at the outset of this affair caused a lot of extra grief and loss for a friend of mine.
Hah! Just caught update #4 Jim. So nice to see you spreading your humility all over the blogosphere!
Yes I take great pride in my humility.
Looks like since everyone has been sending a great deal of traffic the last two years... He seems to have pulled the plug on all the blog links?
>Grant
Since BB ruined potential respect from coming from ones that might matter, he wanted to distance the blog for damage control. Deleting all links saves face in some eyes.
But it is late in the game, real late.
Quicky writes, "Since BB ruined potential respect from coming from ones that might matter, he wanted to distance the blog for damage control."
That assumes BB is a man of character and feel some humility. No my friend. Look at what BB has left up on his blog. It is meant to attack Sean, Grant, and Dewayne.
Let's suppose that BB is just any blogger. After Sean's testimony; after Grant's testimony; after the two H&J escorts' testimony; after Harlow's answer on cross examination regarding any involvement in the murder, Harlow answers, "No," any reasonable man would expect that BB apologize to Sean and Grant. But no, that is not the case.
I think that is telling that one commentor at BB's in two of those recent threads is Truth Be Told, a variation on BB4Truth which is associated with Kocis' best friend. The readers can draw their own conclusions regarding this nonserendipitous coincidence.
>Since BB ruined potential respect from coming from ones that might matter
Must... not... be... bitchy.... must... not... be.. bitchy...
As far as the subject of post-trial "apologies" go, seems to me Brent himself had the most realistic take on it:
"Lots of damage has been done, however. All those who persecuted me and insisted I had everything to do with Bryan’s death; they will never come forward and admit they were wrong. All those ‘publications’ and web portals that reported on it in the beginning, implementing Grant and me will never correct their assumptions. A couple have even altogether ignored the trial.
One thing all this has finally made me realize is . . . I need to let past be just that. Even though I have everything to look forward to now, I find myself wanting to write and fixate on all that went wrong. Saying “I told you so” doesn’t do anyone any good. If those that were in the wrong can’t take responsibility for it on their own then nothing can be mended and it’s best to just move on."
In other words, folks...don't hold your breath.
If apologies do pop up now, great. But don't expect or demand them; the bad blood ran too deep for that. Instead, best to just do what Brent advises, IMO: "Move on."
I will disagree with Deflated Brent above on one minor point, however...saying "I told you so" does do some good...the teller gets a nice, warm fuzzy feeling in his belly, every time he does it. :-)
I would direct people's attention to the comment from "NyCBoi2ThEMaX" on PC's blog, dated Friday, March 13, 2009 7:19 AM. I believe this is actually the FIRST time he has commented on this case ANYWHERE, if it is who I think it is.
Rob said… I think that is telling that one commentor at BB's in two of those recent threads is Truth Be Told, a variation on BB4Truth which is associated with Kocis' best friend.
Since Bryan was murdered, I never once posted even a single entry on any blog anywhere prior to testifying. Truth Be Told was my SN on juicygoo. Some nut job grabbed that and started posting so their otherwise credibility less postings were paid attention to. I have to say tho, I did such a kick out of watching the force and vitriol people used to accuse each other of being me. Like, Wow. (In that same vein, the speculation and stuff people made up and tried to peddle as fact on these blogs totally cracked me up.)
Anyway, there are a bunch of reasons I didn’t post. The 3 most major:
1) I knew more about this case then just about anyone outside the DAs office. I was not going to go blabbering details of everything into blog because;
• It would have severely limited the DA’s office keeping me in the loop on things.
• This was a murder investigation. It doesn’t get more serious than that. You do your part. You help. One of the ways you help is by not broadcasting details. It’s the same thing that kept Grant & Sean from advertising they wore a wire for months.
• Let the defense figure out the details. I had no intention of throwing the salient points out there prior to discovery.
2) The DA asked me not to post anything. The reason being – blogs are public record. Anything said in a blog could have been used by the defense if they decided to recall me. Scoring a few gotchya points with a bunch of online figments would never be worth jeopardizing yesterdays outcome.
3) I’m busy as hell. I really have better things to do. LOL For better than a year – id check the blogs once a month and catch up on what was being said (mostly PCs blog for the court docs)… but like I mentioned earlier, I knew a great deal about this case. The blogs added nothing. They only held a certain comedic value for me. ( I didn’t even realize this blog existed until a month ago)
For the record – so everyone is totally clear on this point: Day 4 after Bryan was murdered, I made a trip to PA to meet investigators. At the end of what was a 6 hour meeting, they asked me pointblank – “Do you think Sean and Grant did this”. My response was an unequivocal no. My reasons were everything I said on the stand – Sean and Grant aren’t the calculating killer type – neither of them have it in the them to do what was done to Bryan. The lawsuit was settled. Everyone was reasonably happy with it. Everyone was set to make money.
Hell, Grant bought me a drink in vegas at Crave.
So yea – sorry to deflate, but my re-entry into the blogging world happened about 5 days ago.
An invaluable contribution, NyCBoi2ThEMaX, thank you.
HALLELUJAH!!!!
Speaking of apologies, Rob. . .
Would sending Harlow soap on a rope from Amazon be considered gloating?
Rob said...
Quicky writes, "Since BB ruined potential respect from coming from ones that might matter, he wanted to distance the blog for damage control."
That assumes BB is a man of character and feel some humility. No my friend. Look at what BB has left up on his blog. It is meant to attack Sean, Grant, and Dewayne.
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The "he" in my commment is PC Will. I am not sure that was totally clear. We were refering to an action made by PC on his own blog. I tried to be vague and not mention a name, but might have failed at clarity.
Just want to say thank you for your blog and for all commentary.
Following this case has been like coming upon a car wreck. You don't want to look, but you're compelled to so you slow down. And all the time you know you need to get on your way. I looked and saw a seedy, dirty side of life and I saw how low people can go. Just like coming upon an accident, I leave thinking "thank God it's not me".
You're welcome, Carl.
"I leave thinking "thank God it's not me"."
Yeah, I've been thinking that alot too myself.
I was walking out at a couple nights ago, reflecting on the Joe Disaster on the stand that day, and it was a full moon out. And a really awesome looking one too.
And I thought, do prisoners get to see the night sky much? I know they get let out for exercise during the day, but at night? I don't think they do.
And they certainly don't have windows in their cells.
The night sky, the stars, moon, sunsets, walking a dog...all stuff we take for granted, denied life prisoners like Joe.
And if Harlow gets death, it'll be even worse. 23 hours of solitary confinement, one hour a day solitary exercise. No priviledges whatsoever.
Makes ya think...
NyCBoi2ThEMaX said...
Hell, Grant bought me a drink in vegas at Crave.
So yea – sorry to deflate, but my re-entry into the blogging world happened about 5 days ago.
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Glad to see you are now able to speak up if you feel like it, and can celebrate a trial ending in a total slam-dunk. It was also nice meeting you in PA. The whole week I was there was an unforgettable experience.
Thanks, and best to you.
-Q
>So yea – sorry to deflate, but my re-entry into the blogging world happened about 5 days ago.
Jim, because of comments like Robert's, who was directly involved in the case, I hope you keep your blogs up after all of this is done.
Close the comments and walk away from actively posting if you want, but having a record like this is wonderful record that shouldn't be lost to the memory hole.
Well, at least until Blogger has another database error and erases the site...
Yes Jody, after I walk away I'm turning off new comments, and leaving the site up.
A new idea I think I might do, however, is a yearly reunion. Just an open thread, really, where we can all check back once a year and just say "hi."
Every Arrest Day (May 15)?
Quick - you know what totally caught me off guard? How much you look like bryan. Like - Almost identical twins. I had to do a quadruple take (as did the his family). It was spooky.
That should have read:
"...Jim, because of comments like Robert's -- who was directly involved in the case -- I hope you keep your blogs up when all of this is done.
Close the comments and walk away from actively posting if you'd like, but having this wonderful record available on the web is a great resource. It shouldn't be lost to the memory hole.
Well, at least until Blogger has another database error and erases the site..."
I hate not being able to go back and edit these comments for clarity and grammar. It's the writer in me.
>Makes ya think...
I wish it had made certain others think.
>Penalty phase continued to Monday, thereby averting this problem for Harlow.
Talk about a long weekend for Harlow...
Death Penalty equals approx. 10 years on Death Row? going through appeals and such?
Will, Jim?
Hmmm, according to this article, PA already has a "de facto" ban on executions.
Note the last one in 1999 took 8 years, and that was only because the guy stopped appealing:
"Mr. Rendell, who was Philadelphia district attorney in the 1970s and early '80s, maintained that the state already has "a de facto moratorium," meaning no death-row inmates have been executed for years, while they are still appealing their convictions.
The only reason an inmate would be executed would be if he decided to end his legal appeals and agrees to be put to death, he said.
The last time Pennsylvania executed a prisoner on death row was 1999 -- Gary Heidnik, a torture-killer from Philadelphia, who had stopped making appeals of his conviction. The length of time -- eight years -- that has elapsed since that execution was another reason the governor had for believing that there is a de facto moratorium on executions."
I don't think Harlow blew it on the stand. I think Joe's testimony convinced the jury that Harlow's defense was playing games with them.
Yeah, Joe was defintely a factor.
See Update 6, however.
NyCBoi2ThEMaX said...
Quick - you know what totally caught me off guard? How much you look like bryan. Like - Almost identical twins. I had to do a quadruple take (as did the his family). It was spooky.
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I noticed the family kept looking at me, and Bryan's Father came over right away to chat and inquire who I was. They were very friendly as were most everyone there. That must have been part of it. Wow, I had no idea of this slight resemblance, only the age is about same I thought.
Rob,
Still making false accusations I see. Still ranting about BB I see.
Some people never learn.
Now what was that you saying about RW watching the murder live on CCTV in Kocis bedroom closet?
As for an apology, by all means, you go first. It was you after all that started the RW BS per info DeWayne was feeding you by your own admission.
BB--
You can't read. I said a very long way back that Wagner was not complicit in Kocis' murder; however, it is not a pass on any other commission or omission.
Interesting that you popped back up after I challenged Wagner, NYCBoi2TheMax at PC. Why the hysterics BB? By your own admission you have no connection to Robert Wagner. I addressed some very reasonable questions to RW. And I will point out that you stated over there that Sean is lying about his age. How so? The record is quite clear and discussed in this blog, not post, this blog awhile back. You were shown to be wrong at that time.
You are advocating for Wagner. Why? He commented here. He must want to engage others in conversation after all he was muzzled for 2 years.
Which false accusation BB? I referred people to your blog. You are the responsibie party for putting up the content. Not me, not Jim, not Will, not Elm, not PC, not Dewayne, not Albert, not Prof, not Jody. You and no one else.
I would point out the dates of the posts--coincide with Sean's testimony and Grant's testimony. Tends to blow your theory of benign Devil's Advocate to Halifax.
No BS BB.
The bloggers can read for themselves what I wrote at PC's latest. It was addressed to NYCB, RW's latest persona. You answered, but not before Grant Roy and Dewayne put up their 2 cents worth.
Why continue to push Sean's age as an issue? The overwhelming evidence is that Sean was born in Oct. of 1986.
Hey Beebs,
You going to admit you were wrong
[and absolutely disgusting] -
in just about everything you have said and done for the past 2+
years-
You do get a point for poking that head of yours up from under a rock to comment here, now.
thought you were gone for good -
seeing as YOU WERE PROVED WRONG.
Oh, that did not slip by you did it Beebs?
Geoff Harvard said...
Would sending Harlow soap on a rope from Amazon be considered gloating?
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I have a feeling Harlow could get tossed around, and used for the next decade, getting very little profit to show for it this time around.
It is sad huh. All that potential gone to the big house.
He might not slip on that soap, but rather try and hang himself from the rope. It's really bad Geoff, better send him another good book to put it all into perspective, that might be what he needs now. I'm sure you know a few more good ones Harlow has not already read.
BB, at this point, just go away.
"If those that were in the wrong can’t take responsibility for it on their own then nothing can be mended and it’s best to just move on." -- BC
Rob,
As usual you READ what you want to see, not what is written.
Sean lied about being 18 when he was in fact 17. That was his testimony on the stand under oath.
"BB, at this point, just go away."
Why?
They said I was BK, they lied.
They said I was RW, they lied.
I fought back. They deserved what they got in return.
Why?
Coz they will never admit how wrong they were.
It is for them to deal with.
Not your problem.
"You going to admit you were wrong
[and absolutely disgusting] -
in just about everything you have said and done for the past 2+
years-"
Like Rob, DeWayne, Sean and Grant who were ALL absolutely wrong and disgusting to me, RW and a dead man, no way :)
They reap what they sow.
Now Rob has decided to start the BB shit AGAIN, I thought I'd come back out to play.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rip_Van_Waddell.jpg
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rip_Van_Waddell.jpg"
LOL :)
here ya go, this is 4 u:
http://www.fotosearch.com/bigcomp.asp?path=PHT/PHT293/PAA296000010.jpg
BB said...
Sean about being 18 when he was on the stand under oath.
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BB, I am totally not sure what this has to do with Harlow being a convicted killer, he along with Joe will never see another lunch at Boston Market, nor $7.99 buffet in Vegas (to say nothing of $3,000 dinners)
While Sean's life plays out in a seaside community in the sun, doing creative things all the way to the bank. A little legit work, some modeling, acting, directing, parties, events, and a fun rewarding life spent doing it his way, on the beach as the waves crash in leaving a spray of mist across his sun tanned face. All the while sharing the ups and downs on an honest blog, and eventual book with sweet 16 (and 17) details you never got to know.
You on the other hand will eat and sleep in the filth ridden shit box you made for yourself, as you disappear.
See this one and PC's blog are the only places that put up with you. And once they lock up these, you are without a paddle. So I suggest you go nuts on Sean and Grant for that one last time, I mean spit out the venom, because your four minutes are over. It's last call now for you. Now really make it count before you go back to your little distant corner and fade into obscurity.
"See this one and PC's blog are the only places that put up with you."
Well, I dunno about that...
Beebs anytime.
>Why?
BB, to quote Jon Stewart quoting Carly Simon: "This Song Ain't About You."
NyCBoi2ThEMaX said...
Quick - you know what totally caught me off guard? How much you look like bryan. Like - Almost identical twins. I had to do a quadruple take (as did the his family). It was spooky.
March 13, 2009 7:35 PM
It is January, 2007, and pornographer Bryan Kocis is starting to sweat, despite the sub-zero temperatures in Wilkes-Barre. His underground financiers are applying unimaginable pressure, vandalism to the Maserati, hang-up threats. He is aware of a Danny Moilin, whom he well knows to be someone else, applying to be a model at Cobra Video and requesting an audition at the house. Bryan’s imagination is flying in all directions and lands on the worst case scenario.
At the same time, he has been corresponding with a Los Angeles videographer whom he met on a Sony video technical message board. He is amused by the fact that they are very similar in appearance. He gets the germ of an idea.
He entices the videographer out to Pennsylvania with the offer of an extended assignment and airfare, saying he can stay at the house, too, as long as he needs to.
The fateful day of January 24, 2007 arrives. Bryan and the videographer are sharing a bottle of pinot noir hanging out in the living room while Bryan makes some business calls. Bryan gets off the phone, makes an excuse that he has to run an errand, and slips out the back and out toward the adjacent street. The videographer does not realize that Bryan has exchanged their wallets and taken his return ticket. He watches the new flat screen tv and sips his pinot.
He can hear a car pull up in the front driveway, and there is a knock on the front door. Not being the reclusive type, he answers it, and there is Danny Moilin. The videographer doesn’t know what this is about, but he makes small talk with Danny awaiting Bryan’s return. Another abrupt knock on the door, and the videographer answers again. There is a violent struggle. The two assailants subdue him and slit his throat. That is his last moment of consciousness.
Bryan arrives in LA and takes a cab to the address on the drivers license in the wallet. He calls a locksmith to get into the apartment and make a key for the car. (He forgot to take the keys.) He takes up the videographer’s identity. Associates note that the quality of the videographer’s work is declining. He doesn’t seem to know anything about photography and editing any more.
Arrogant bastard that he is, he takes a keen interest in his own “murder.” He goes back to his old video message board and finds Harlow there asking questions about his cameras. He begins blogging on Kocisphere sites using the ironic name, quickysrt, and maintains almost daily contact for two years.
In February, 2009, he takes the ultimate risk. He travels to Wilkes-Barre for Harlow’s trial and sits in the courtroom for a week, interviewing the participants and observing the proceedings. The family and Robert give him some startled reactions, but they dare not contemplate the truth. The family has already settled the estate.
Bryan returns to Los Angeles and continues with his new life, free of the underground finaciers who threatened him. The one question remaining is if he is arrogant enough to try to insinuate himself into the life of Sean Lockhart again.
This is as good a story as any, given that trying to get the whole, unvarnished truth out of any of the participants in this case is like trying to get blood out of a turnip.
"Forensic dentist Dr. John Hosage testified due to the extreme condition of the charred body, he positively identified Kocis by dental records provided by dentist Dr. John Evans, Kocis' dentist."
Geoff, that was extremely tasteless but I have to admit amusing. Lucky for you I know Quicky has a good sense of humor.
Will, it's not a bad treatment, given the space limitations. If my fingers were flying away on Final Draft, that's how it would unfold in 90-120 pages.
jim said...
"Forensic dentist Dr. John Hosage testified due to the extreme condition of the charred body, he positively identified Kocis by dental records provided by dentist Dr. John Evans, Kocis' dentist."
March 14, 2009 8:28 PM
Jim, obviously, Bryan had Robert Wagner, the medical student, switch out the dental records using NYU official stationary for the transaction.
BTW, could these be the same two dentists who have contracts to check the kids' teeth at Conahan's PA Child Care lockup?
Not much is that shocking or surprising at this point. I thought I'd seen and heard about everything.
And now realizing that Kocis family identified with my image, and it reminded them of their son. Now it makes sense that they were warm and open with me a bit beyond what you expect in that situation. I thought at the time the casual smiles, handshake, the (always) waves in passing were simply the difference between LA and a small town in PA.
I hope they felt like an image of an angel was there sitting with them rather than another sad reminder of things lost forever. I didn't mean to spook anyone. And I had not planned to write anything about them in the blogs.
This case really has it all, slap-stick, mystery, horror, fear, laughter, sex, money & murder. But for me leads back to the sadness.
Great Story Geoff! But I might need to post my picture so everyone can see that I do not really like King Cobra.
re jim and waddell/shenandoah cartoon, kudos.
Does anybody remember BB Galeenee,
she was on The Brady Bunch,
Everything was pink,
and she was a bitch?
>This is as good a story as any, given that trying to get the whole, unvarnished truth out of any of the participants in this case is like trying to get blood out of a turnip.
I see Keanu as the star.
What... it's Hollywood!
:-D
Keanu would have to pull a Jared Leto and drink melted Hagen Daaz until he was 60 lbs. heavier. Woof. And then go on the Master Cleanse until they haul him into the ER to lose it again.
In case anyone is curious, I actually just finished TWO posts, both saved in draft. One will be published, one will be deleted.
As I've said many times before, I find myself strangely apathetic on the whole sentencing question. If I was forced to choose, however, I'd probably pick life. I base this purely on financial grounds; as a taxpayer, I find the enormous legal costs associated with the DP far outweigh it's speculative value to society as a deterrant.
In other words, I certainly do NOT base this choice on Harlow, a contemptable pile of human garbage so loathsome as to be totally unworthy of any sympathy or mercy whatsoever.
So, the two drafts ready to go are the outcome I'd have to say I slightly and lightly prefer, vs. the outcome looking FAR more probable at this point, based on news accounts of "unmoved" and "inscrutible" jurors this past weekend.
In any case, I do hope the jury takes it's time, and thinks about this matter carefully for a while.
I bet there are two pics also, one with each draft, and I hate to miss seeing either.
" zach said...
I bet there are two pics also, one with each draft,"
Yep.
"In other words"
I was going to ask you straight out what your feelings were on this jim,
it was the other day - I came close to asking you, then thought it is none of my business.
--came though loud and clear today. :)
I understand where you are coming from.
If they are taking this long to deliberate then Harlow now has two chances at life: one from their deliberations and another from them being unable to reach a consensus and the judge defaulting to life in jail.
Good.
50 or 60 years in jail is a far worse punishment than death.
Hmmm, temporary impasse...
The Times Leader reported that the jury came back into court at about 2:30 pm EDT. In an update, TL is reporting that the jury told Judge Olszewski that it was having trouble reaching a consensus on verdict. The judge asked the jury to continue deliberating.
Yeah and a bit more detail from CV. They rejected one aggrevating factor, and are at an impasse over the other.
Good news for Harlow. Assuming he wants to live, of course.
I'm going out later for a late lunch at Boston Market. I love those mashed-batatoes w/ gravy (on the side). :)
You know you must be grateful for each and every day thet you have, and those small things we take for granted like eating lunch out, and planning a get together with a friend next weekend.
Yep, couldn't agree more!
"I'm going out later for a late lunch at Boston Market."
Sounds good Quicky, just don't get arrested there like H & J.
Jim--
Thanks for this blog. You have been quite the journalist on this sorry business.
Now an aside in current events.
Grant Roy has tried to respond to the comment of a blogger Jan Dumont at PC's. The reference deleted there was a comparison of Sean to Traci Lords and a response by Grant. Grant's response was one sentence and paraphrased Sean's situation was not Traci Lords'.
I am not sure what is up with PC. He is allowing comments from sources that advocate the victim brings the trouble upon him/herself which is a load of crap.
Comments in the blogs in the last few days suggest that NYCBoi, a RW moniker, Cad's reappearance, and BB's resurgence is concerted. There is a very subtle rephrasing of charges leveled against Sean over the last four years. For example, the original Sean is older than he stated has become Sean was younger than he claimed and the ever present Sean and the 15 year old lied and that makes Kocis justified for victimizing both.
I don't like deck stacking. Comments from that side are sprouting like weeds and that undermines the shine of being objective.
Life without parole.
http://www.timesleader.com/news/Judge_advises_jury_to_continue_deliberation_.html
Times Leader is reporting Life w/o parole as of 4:48 pm EDT.
You can press the "Life with No Parole" button Jim!
I disgree with how you characterize what went down, Rob.
Jan started an off topic digression. Grant responded, I think someone else did too. I responded, but that did not get approved...
Reason being was pretty obvious. When PC got back, he realized it was WAY off topic from the matter at hand (ie, the death penalty for Harlow) and nuked the whole digression, starting with Jan's original comment.
Actually quite sensable of PC IMO, can't say I wouldn't have done the same.
Who knows, the subject of the digression may come up later, maybe here, maybe elsewhere. If there are issues to get hashed out over it, they'll get hashed out, of that I am certain.
Jim at the risk of seeming dour, the characterization is all PC's.
You have been fair.
I have a big problem with a joker who tells me in a phone call that Sean and Grant are to be arrested on setting foot in Pennsylvania.
I wasn't the only party he told that stunner to either. Dewayne was the other one. When PC delivered that remark, he was quite serious.
The remark that Grant made was in response to Dumont's comparison of Sean to Traci Lords. I read Grant's response to Dumont before it was deleted. That remark was milktoast.
For Will who may or may not be around: I don't care for Wagner, Beebs, or Cad. Those guys are enablers for creeps and pervs like Kocis to continue preying on the unsuspecting.
Rob said...
I don't like deck stacking. Comments from that side are sprouting like weeds and that undermines the shine of being objective.
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PC's blog never claimed to objective. It is an excelent resource of information on the timeline and the case as it unfolded. It is also fairly entertaining.
But as a factual shine of objectivity, it just never can be that. You are asking for blood out of a stone.
Yes I'm right here Rob. Wow, you don't care for Wagner? What a shock! Who knew?
You also know very well that that was never my issue with you. RW himself has thankfully set the record straight about his belief in Sean and Grant's innocence, after you putting words into his mouth for two years. I have absolutely no doubt as to his sincerity in the statements he has now made on the record. After two years of you accusing him of being BB and/or having the exact same viewpoint as BB, I would think an apology might be in order.
I did a reply to Grant's post at PC's blog.
PC did not post it. It was in answer to something Grant said that had no bearing on the topic at hand.
Grant said he and Sean have been truthful from day one.
I pointed out Sean purchased a fake ID on his own, verified by Sean on the witness stand under oath. I also pointed out he used this fake ID to work with Cobra breaking many laws in the process.
Then there was Grant's claim that he has and is worth millions of $$$, a lie.
I also AGREED with Grant's comment that the Traci Lords thing someone mentioned was BS.
My tone in the reply was pleasant.
Grant opened a can of worms with his statement. I totally understand why he decided to delete everything to do with it.
Rob, why do you have a problem with certain people posting about this case?
For many years Grant dug himself a hole. He will never admit how wrong he was.
For two years you dug yourself a hole. You too will never admit how wrong you were.
So before you bitch about other blogger's actions, take a long hard look at your own.
Nothing you do or say will save you face, it is far too late for that.
I suggest you finally drop it and get over RW.
"I would think an apology might be in order."
roflmao.
PC's blog never claimed to objective.
Actually, the blog did claim to be "unbiased" until about a year ago ...
For two years you dug yourself a hole. You too will never admit how wrong you were.
Well, look who is talking.
Beebs--
Go to Hell. You do nothing but advocate blaming victims for the deceitful seduction of pervs like Kocis.
Yours is special pleading, no more, no less.
As for Grant Roy digging any hole, may be the one you and Wagner will get shoved into.
Will--
Get this straight. BB flocks with Wagner always has. Ask Dewayne about the IP address for Beebs connected to Wagner's residence in NY that was turned over to the prosecution.
Look what was advocated at PC's which Beebs refers to. It is subtle revisionism.
Interesting that PC has relinked to Beebs' blog. Why? All it does, despite your protest to the reformed nature of Beebs Will, is attack Sean and Grant's credibility.
I don't buy Beebs being born again and never will for what is known.
Beebs whines, "So before you bitch about other blogger's actions, take a long hard look at your own."
The only bitching going on around here Beebs is yours. You're the ass that always cryptically stated "smoke, mirrors, bullshit." Subterfuge, yep; a reflection of Kocis' attitude, yep; and lots of crap you have shoveled.
BB said...
"I would think an apology might be in order."
roflmao.
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Maybe I have overreacted in my responses BB. Perhaps there is more to the whole thing that I don't know about. Stuff that went down long before I ever heard of all these people.
So, later when you get a chance, and you have said all the things that you feel need to be said, can you delete that blog? You would feel good that you spoke your mind, you got noticed no doubt there, and then you moved forward to the next project on your to-do list.
You brought all this stuff to our attention, and your point of view was heard for sure from all sides. The blog you did is effective, mean and dirty like it is meant to be.
Mission accomplished right! It can be removed because we have heard your point of view and seen your exibits. We know you mean it, and we won't forget it or you. But it is about time for us all to move on, including you and I.
Thanks,
-Quicky
Oh Rob shut up. You have always been and still remain clueless.
Where are Grant and Dewayne? I ask coz they do not back you up. Odd considering (according to you) they are the ones who fed you oh so many lies.
Rob, just for the record, you have once again managed to willfully misinterpret and utterly miss the point of every word I said. Twas always thus.
>BB said: For many years Grant dug himself a hole. For two years you dug yourself a hole.
BB, as someone who dug a very deep hole of your own, I don't think you are in any position to comment on the spade-work of another.
This isn't about you.
Will--
Just an observation. Why the appeal to the emotions? Makes you appear as if you are attempting to put me on the defensive with the hopes that your conclusion must be true. In essence you argue that because I am not agreeing with you, therefore, you must be right.
Rather simplistic. My position regarding the association is not weakened because of your doubts.
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