"KEREKES stated; “...I’ll get out in five years and make tons of money off of this”. RODDEN hypothesized that KEREKES was going to testify against CUADRA and, “get a deal”...RODDEN further hypothesized that KEREKES “probably put the kid (CUADRA) up to it, and now he’s gonna try to hang him out to dry."---
"...it was apparent that KEREKES was attempting to make CUADRA appear to be more criminally culpable in this case to “take the fall” if someone was going to."---
"...KEREKES kept saying, “him (KEREKES) and the other guy killed the guy in Pennsylvania.” KEREKES also said he was turning States evidence against the other Dude."---
38 comments:
Jim--
Notice the pattern? Joe is angling to save his hide and throw Harlow to the wolves. Not a surprise really.
Speaking of surprises, Elm has a new post up at Rants, titled "Joe and the Truth." In essence Elm is in denial mode on lots of scores. It is full of simplistic logic and denies reality to the nth degree.
All of the evidence, according to Elm, is either hearsay (jailhouse cellmates' statements to PA State Police detectives), circumstantial (the knife in the glove box, etc.); the BBT's are not a problem because Harlow and Joe knew they were being taped (Harlow's and Elm's bullshit after the fact phone conversation post the grifter's flight home to Virginia); pleads no earlier communication than 16 April (before this, the date shifted from 15 April to later in the month of April, despite the fact that you Jim found a date of 20 March 2007 on an email communication directed to Elm by Kerekes himself and posted this on your Chinchilla blog in January or so).
In this same manifesto, Elm states that Sean and Grant are the instigators of the murder plan against Kocis because of guilt by association. Yep, guilt by association with the grifters but no proof of complicity other than Robert Wagner's claim that Sean and Grant "told" Harlow and Joe all about Kocis' nefarious activites and chameleon personality.
Interesting that Elm claims to have had no involvement in the 3-way jailhouse phone scheme also used by Renee (the Madam) Martin.
And, oh yes, Elm still trots out Old Glory, justice, and the American Way and tries to state that the police have made a mockery of this murder investigation from its origin with the barbarous act of murder committed against Bryan Kocis as well as looting the corpse and pilfering/stealing from the victim's house after killing him and then setting fire to Kocis' home because the grifting, murdering pair couldn't clean up the blood and gore. I have news for Cuadra's attorneys regarding the BBT's. Those were recorded on a public beach with no expectation of privacy. Furthermore, Joe and Harlow freely accepted Sean and Grant's invitation to scamper at Black's Beach, thus, shooting down Elm's suggested "they were entrapped into talking defense."
Harlow and Joe are where they are because as grifters they over extended themselves financially. Next, they tried a scheme no different than Bergeron's, Kocis's, and Cad's to turn Sean into a glorified sex slave.
Greed, the money motive, is at the heart of a very despicable man being killed. Harlow and Joe are very much part of that mix. They conspired in the planning and executing of his demise in a scheme all of their own design.
Golly gee whiz willackers! Joe suckered Harlow into leaving a paper trail so he could dump all of the blame onto Harlow's shoulders. Harlow couldn't figure out his fellow grifter was conning him?
How many knives did Joe obtain? 3 knives--One at the pawn shop; the second at Walmart in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania; and the third elsewhere. Joe was protecting himself and throwing Harlow, his beloved, to the wolves. Something he started doing well before any knife ended Kocis' life on 24 January 2007.
Attempts at excusing the grifters' act of murder to suggested shortcomings of police investigation and a suggested, but not proven, corrupt Luzerne County judicial system begs the question, enters the realm of circular argument, attempts to poison the well, lamely sets up his own straw man argument and makes the monumental errors of perrenial Progressive candidate for the Presidency of the United States, William Jennings Bryant as presented in Bryant's famous "Do not cruxify me on a cross of gold" speech. There is no offer of proof from Elm only his unsubstantiated BS. There is no evidence pinning this crime whatsoever on Sean Lockhart or Grant Roy. What is most obvious to even the slowest of bloggers at this point is that competing financial motives, i.e., Kocis-Bergeron-Cad vs. Cuadra-Kerekes. Sean in either camp, Sean was seen a money making sex slave. In both scenarios, Sean would have been an adult film model, but he also would have been a working male escort, in-call only. The Kocis camp was to obtain a condo/apartment for that purpose; the C/K camp simply would have put Sean up in the tom cat bordello.
Yep, bunco at its worst operates in Kerekes and Cuadra's case and no one save a misinformed few are even attempting to condone it.
I think it was you Jim who correctly said the DA has 5 more jail house informants who have not been called.
I have another observation
If Renee Martin,Captain Jack are arrested or Barry Taylor as co-conspirators
how much you wanna bet they will have a tale to tell?
At this point is there anyone Joe has not talked to?
I do seem to recall back in the ether of prehistory hearing the reason Blacks beach was set up in the first place,,the psych profile on Joe revealed he had a propensity to TALK. The fact Harlow did the talking should not surprise us I believe Joe Told Harlow to spill it on the beach and Harlow the lap dog did as Joe instructed him,,,
The sound of his masters voice,,
yep thats Joe and Harlow,,,
Joe and his little dog Mutt!
"DeWayne In San Diego said...
I think it was you Jim who correctly said the DA has 5 more jail house informants who have not been called."
Yep. And according to the latest filings by Harlow defense lawyers (mentioned over on PC's blog) Harlow did some chatting with police himself. Statements the new Harlow lawyers are now desperate to exclude!
"If Renee Martin,Captain Jack are arrested or Barry Taylor as co-conspirators
how much you wanna bet they will have a tale to tell?"
Yeah. Although Barry Taylor as a witness would be complicated due to attorney-client considerations.
I wonder if Renee and "Captain Jack" are "on the run" now?
Another observation: Remember Fannick?
In view of Joe loquatiousness, how many here still think they only talked about "fees" during those eight meetings?
LOL! If Joe told Fannick but a fraction of what he told his cellmates, there is NO WAY IN HELL Fannick could ethically rep Harlow...esp. if the trials seperated (as they were motioned to today).
You can now see why Joe blew his stack when he saw Fannick sitting next to Harlow in court that day! :-)
And my theory as to Joe being kept in the dark by everyone about the Fannick backdoor deal between the families (ie, the families knew Joe could not keep his mouth shut) appears to be correct.
Jim--
You are very much on target.
The Harlowites and Joettes calculated that everyone but themselves, Barry Taylor, and Demetrius Fannick were gullible suckers. By this point it is obvious that Harlow was not an innocent lambkin, pushed into committing murder by a strong-willed Joe. On the contrary, Harlow comes across more like a stone cold killer. Study 3 or 4 different face shots of Harlow. There is joy of life in the eyes--they are steal cold.
Oh it is clear that Harlow did his own singing too. He first sang at Black's Beach; then, afterwards to Elm on the return from San Diego; then with the infirmy prisoner whose name is on the witness list.
The way this pre-trial crap is playing out regarding Harlow and Joe is simlar to one of their grifts. Fly some bunco and hope it sticks.
Regarding Renee (the Madam) Martin and Captain Jack, you can bet they have packed the remaining bunny/chinchilla furs, if any, and hightailed for the hills.
This case is so bizarre,
I have to admit, I can't keep up with the "day to day" revelations-
I mean they do not seem to really sink in to me, it is like well, another "beyond bizarre" situation.
Off the bat though,
I do not understand what Renee "Ree" Martins motivation for being involved at all- is/was?
I mean she did not come across as a psychotic nutcase, which she must truly be, [she came across as a very worried parent]-
why would she get involved in a murder cover-up??
I know the "most embarrassing pre arrest quote" contest is over,
IMO, if there were a contest for a "one year later classic quote" here would be my entry-
this is good -
it made me look at the computer with quite the quizzical look???
Elm says-
"Joe and Harlow were not the brightest couple in the world and I do not think that they should have ever gotten involved in any of this, but that is my opinion"??? :?
There is also that 'special' cellmate that has not been mentioned yet, so I won't.
I do not believe that Harlow and Joe were not advised of their rights before questioning. Still, it would change nothing to exclude any statements they made during questioning. They eventually volunteered the same story over and over again with some consistency to a variety of people over a good length of time. That is just as good if not better.
I would just point out what is obviously missing from the story as it is now being told. There is no mention of Brent or Grant being involved. Harlow and Joe are quite happy to point at each other.
"I do not understand what Renee "Ree" Martins motivation for being involved at all- is/was?"
We know she was Harlow and Joe's neighbor on Stratum Ct. (her house is now up for foreclosure sale).
According to the Elm/PC IMs, she took out a 2nd on here home to pay for lawyers for Harlow.
We know she took over the business after the arrest. And then tried to make it look like it was under new ownership. And then it disappeared completely.
We know she liked to threaten people who told the truth about Harlow and Joe with phony police action and lawsuits.
According to another commenteer who dealt with her, she had a husband who thought she was nuts for doing all this (ie, he was actually sane).
She was the one who insisted on posting nude photos of Harlow on the donation web site, because "the gays like naked men." (I'd be interested to know why she felt the photo of Harlow flipping the bird at potential donors was a winner as well).
She liked to greet new supporters to the Harlow cause with the comment "Oh, you're one of the normal ones!"
She sounds like she was the one who bungled the failed "chinchilla" coat auction on eBay, turning it into a forum for questions about bloodstains on the coat and such. (LOL!)
Jakester thinks "Ree is an awesome person." And also: "Renee is so far out of Jim’s league it’s not even funny." Based on her track record, I guess I'd have to agree with the latter, heh! :-D
And other than that...we really do not know that much about her.
I think we can make a reasonable inference or two based on the baove, however. I would guess, since they were close neighbors, AND that she took over the business...she was probably involved with the Boisrus/Boybatter business in some capacity even before the arrest (or even before the murder). An employee of some sort? Who knows.
Her pattern of behavior post-arrest makes it appear as if she has some sort of financial stake in getting Harlow and Joe freed...by any means necessary, legal or otherwise.
"I do not believe that Harlow and Joe were not advised of their rights before questioning. "
Wouldn't they have been Mirandized RIGHT at the moment they were cuffed and arrested on Virginia Beach Blvd, on Arrest Day?
I mean, thats the way it always happens on TV! Sipowitz as I recall, like to recite Miranda just as he was ducking the cuffed suspect's head into the back of the police cruiser.
".J. said...
I know the "most embarrassing pre arrest quote" contest is over,
IMO, if there were a contest for a "one year later classic quote" here would be my entry-
this is good -
it made me look at the computer with quite the quizzical look???
Elm says-
"Joe and Harlow were not the brightest couple in the world and I do not think that they should have ever gotten involved in any of this, but that is my opinion"??? :?"
V.J., this would be more a candidate for post-arrest understatement of the year, IMO!
Oh yeah, and back to Renee...
She was a 3-way phone call facilitator. (I KNEW I was forgetting something!)
Jim--
Yes to the Miranda Rights.
The Miranda are recited in the field on arrest by the senior officer (immediate custody), on booking by the booking officer at the jail, again recited to the accused by the senior interrogating detective who must also present the Miranda waiver form for signature to the accused (the accused can check and sign to waive his/her Miranda Rights or check and sign to have them fully enforced, i.e. no interrogation without presence of counsel. Also, the prosecutor will Mirandize the accused on his/her first interview of the accused--the idea being to cover all bases and to see if a few hours in detention has made the accused more likely to cooperate with the prosecutor.
Let's not forget Elm who was part of that 3-way jail phone scheme as well.
"Let's not forget Elm who was part of that 3-way jail phone scheme as well."
I'm actually not convinced of that. Yet.
jim,
Everything you said about Ree was right.
You remember all of the details.
WOW!
-- she has to be nuts!
I am sure there is a story with her.
I hope we someday we get to find out what the info. on her is, I am curious.
As far as Elm, [who I believe is a decent guy]
Anything he writes reeks of denial and I believe you said it before-
even if they are found guilty and all evidence pins them to everything- [which it will]-
he will still find a quick way of denying it.
if Elm was part of 3-way calling thing, would he not be on witness list?
who is Captian Jack? where does this person come into play?
"BB said...
if Elm was part of 3-way calling thing, would he not be on witness list?"
Good point.
"who is Captian Jack? where does this person come into play?"
From Joe's Jailhouse Confession #2:
"RIGGS added that an individual named “Captain Jack” who was a client had assisted KEREKES and CUADRA by providing them with money, and possibly transportation."
So many questions... trust me... the answers will be coming... just a shame I can't answer them yet :)
VJ writes, "As far as Elm, [who I believe is a decent guy] [anything] he writes reeks of denial and I believe you said it before--even if they are found guilty, and all evidence pins them to everything--[which it will]--
[Elm] will still find a quick way of denying it."
Why should Elm deny any of the information that has been made public at all? If, as Elm constantly argues at his and on other blogs, that he is for justice and the American way, then it follows that given enough evidence, testimony, expert testimony, and forensic evidence that Elm would definitively state that Harlow and Joe are guilty as charged. But Elm does not. His denial must be rooted in insinuating himself directly into involvement with the accused murderers.
I find it rather annoying that the tactic of claiming change of venue is being raised yet again. This case is routinely reported in Luzerne County as MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS DEEMED NEWSWORTHY ARE TURNED UP by the reporters. Obviously, that is not a daily occurence as a change of venue would suggest. For example, there is no clamour by the residents of this county to vilify gay people as murderous scoundrels and thieves. If anything, these residents barely give a glance to the developments. Therefore, this ploy will be denied.
I cannot help but think that when the book is written, the movie made- which they are both most definately bound to be- cuz its good!
It could not be done properly - serious here- without pc, jim, rob, dewayne, I am sure there are more but you guys have all this factual info. and timeline that you can bring forth into your minds at a moments notice- there would be no way to get into the bowels [sorry- but you know what I mean] of this saga, to be able to give factual elements from the start to the finish without you guys being hired or asked to give the "real insight". No hollywood anybody could do this justice.
Again we do know it is coming- this case has everything for everybody. But not just anybody could put it into truthful and insightful perspective.
The following is an excerpt from an email sent by Ree Martin-
Friday July 6th 2007 19:25:45
"Dear V
Harlow did tell me to tell you that he appreciates your support and in no way did he commit this crime and he wishes people would just help him so that he could prove to everyone that he did not do this, he has got several blogs from jason, but that is a bad situation there, jason is somewhat friends with brent corrigan and brent had something to do with all this"
"I don't like some of the things being said about him [Harlow] I have known him for some years and he is really a good guy he needed help and he needed someone to run the website and all and he couldn't ask his mom to run his porn website now could he? well thats left things sitting in my lap and I couldn't say no to him, like I said I have known him for a few years and he isn't the type of person to have commit such a crime, the last person in the world to hurt anyone ....."
Sincerely
Ree
add to the last letter [ree]
"We have a private investigator who can prove that Brent corrigan had something to do with it
Peter Pan as we call Brent had a lot more to do with this than anyone knows and that will all come out in the end."
Hmmmm...
She makes it sound like Jason Curious agreed to act as a publicist (to a certain extent) for Harlow.
This would explain much.
And private investigators sent to spy on Brent, oh my! Was it Lucheese? Zenoble? Barissi? All three?
Lucheese? Zenoble? Barissi? OH MY!
Lucheese? Zenoble? Barissi? OH MY!
Private investigators on Brent? Well why the hell not. He lays his life out in the open for all to see. OR DOES HE? Investigative minds (getting paid to do so) want to know. I am sure they are still hot on the job after a full year, sniffing out his merman tail, looking for DNA evidence in a certain cabin off Lake Tahoe, checking out the anti-American activities of people who drink under age in a college level school zone or conspire to deprive the state of critically needed (in these tragic times) car registration funds. So much evidence, so many crimes. One can only speculate as to the true character behind those recently straight teeth. (An obvious attempt to disguise his appearance.)
Why too does he go to so much effort to make himself look different in each photo shoot. Clearly their is something needing investigating here.
{Actually, I think Paul Baressi is probably a good guy.)
Jim--
More like Sassy aka Cheryl Conrad who was gathering info for Barry I am not just their lawyer, I am client too Taylor.
VJ regarding being a consultant. You would have to be part of that mix too because of the pithy, insightful color commentary you lend. You get us thinking.
Albert,
LOL!
"Zenoble, Luchese, Barresi"
LOL!!!
Funny think is that I did not ask her ANYTHING in that email, nothing about Brent, nothing about Jason [I had no clue who jason was or what she was talking about?]
We were corresponding and Harlow was PISSED that someone said that "how can we be sure where the donations are going?" or something like that.
I then said "Yes, How can we be sure?"
Then Harlow basically yells at me on his blog
"This is for you Mr Nickerson,
the donations are making it to me"
LOL!! -
I had told Ree to tell Harlow to chill out that he was basically going to hurt any support that he was going to get with that mouth.
Yes, this was a while ago!!!!!!!!
:)
"We were corresponding and Harlow was PISSED that someone said that "how can we be sure where the donations are going?" or something like that."
Hmmm, I wonder who that someone was...can anyone recall? ;-)
Zenoble,Luchese & Barresi
sounds like a law firm with very special clients! LOL
VJ and Jim--
The donations and Chinchilla fur/personal possession auction seemed to draw Elm as an ole mother hen. And Barry Taylor was suppposed to be supervising that. Did he betray Harlow and Joe by attempting a bigger cut of the take then he was entitled to? Might be the case. Taylor was dumped rather unceremoniously. If Harlow is sitting in detention awaiting trial, he can't exactly access funds except through an agent in his employ or his attorney. At that point, Barry Taylor had been fired or recused himself from representing Harlow and Joe.
Again, Harlow gets crabby and lippy about something that really is out of his control. So were Harlow and Joe manipulating money through Renee and Captain Jack and possibly Elm? Perhaps funds we have not heard about yet?
"At that point, Barry Taylor had been fired or recused himself from representing Harlow and Joe. "
He quit. Right after the arrest, and the announcement that Virginia siezed all of Harlow and Joe's assets.
Can't say I blame him! I think alot of other people would have been wise to quit Harlow and Joe at that point.
"Zenoble, Luchese & Barresi"
"Sounds like a law firm with very special clients."
ROFLMAO
That is hysterical!
"a lot of other people would have been wise to quit"
I agree with you jim, and I also agree when you mentioned previously that Ree was probably an employee of Harlow and Joe prior to their arrest.
Yup- she was no "family friend"- she smelled MONEY TO BE MADE off of this whole mess and she was gonna cash in.
She smelled it with the arrest,
she then smelled it with boybatter,
she then smelled it with the house,
and she milked some extra greed out of Harlows family's misery.
Ree is a special character-
Her payday- it never came.
VJ writes that "Ree was probably an employee of Harlow and Joe prior to their arrest."
On the record, Renee is a realty agent. She filled that function for attempting to sell the bordello. And, certainly, Renee Martin was Harlow and Joe's neighbor. In fairness nothing suggests that Martin was in the grifters' employ prior to their arrest and needing someone to run their business which she took on for the grifters' behalf.
rob says,
"in fairness nothing states that she was in their employ prior to their arrest"
That is true rob,
I just no longer feel the things that she did for Harlow and Joe were done out of the goodness of her heart or that she did not have ulterior motives that were not totally on the up & up.
Something stinks IMO.
Your right VJ Renee is up to her ears in this, warrant served,3 way jail house conversations (a felony) and whatever she "aided and abetted" for Joe and Harlow.
Really, a warrant issued and served?
The police showing up at HER door, wow; hoisted by her own petard!
It's nice to know the gods of poetic justice are still following this case. :-)
The truth will soon come out.
It was the butler in the library with a candle stick.
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