From Angel Skye's blog today:
Tuesday, June 24, 2008
Calling to the entire adult entertainment industry (please cross link and repost)
Ok it has been a while since I have talked to everyone but I hope everyone reading is well happy and enjoying their summer.
I have been showered with support these last few months, and I am so grateful to everyone who has been there for me through thick and thin.
I have a lot of great things going on in my life, but for obvious reasons I am forced to keep things private from stalkers' eyes.
This brings me to the reason behind this posting, and I ask every reader fan, porn star, producer, studio, director, assistant, blogger, and anyone who has a heart to please re post this, and support me.
I have tried every attempt to be a civilized person, and ask certain people to not post things about me on sites. I want the whole industry to know directly from me that today June 24 2008 at 7:29 pm I pressed charges against the man known as Kent Barclay.
I have realized my dear friends that some people do not take warnings well, and that is when one must take things to action and involve the law. When presented with my case the detective found probable cause for me to pursue harassment amongst other charges against this man for the countless months of false accusations, defamation, slander, and stalker like behavior.
I have plenty of witnesses who I know I can count on for their support. I have received full permission from the people I answer to to pursue this to the full extent of the law, and I will. I am doing this for myself as well as Mathew Rush, Kevin Clarke, and everyone else who for the past ten years has had to endure this man's terrorism.
I am calling on the adult entertainment industry all fellow models who read and everyone to please support me in this. I hate to have to take things to this, but enough is enough. I am also going to be joining in on Porn confidential.Com's as well as other blogs who have shut down anyone associated with this man.
This being said I do not want to receive e mails about him or anything with his name in it please my privacy has been invaded enough I want to let our fair justice system work for me as the war veteran I am.
I am very calm at this point, and I want to say in closing that anyone who is supporting this man is a terrorist just like him, and anyone who is supporting him with fake information about me will also be included in my case so please be careful people because this Puerto Rican is in attack mode and will use the law to make anyone who has hurt me in any way pay.
Please re post cross link e mail your parents friends etc etc let everyone know that I am through with pleading now I act!
A very calm,
Angel Skye
Posted by ***Confessions and Retaliations*** at 5:41 PM
Update: Tune into Lies and the Truth Behind Them for the latest updates on this fast moving story...
Update 2: Let's start a new blog!
Wednesday, June 25, 2008
Monday, June 16, 2008
The Musings Reloaded
We pick up where we left off on our last musings way back in April, where Harlow and Joe are discussing their client/attorney Barry Taylor. This is from the Blacks Beach Tapes Part 24. Harlow and Joe are talking about their decision to fly out to California to meet with Sean and Grant that very weekend:
That's funny, I thought so too!
That's because I distinctly recall Elm talking about this; about how he and Barry were both opposed to the trip, how they both felt it was a set up...and how Harlow and Joe ignored their dire warnings and went anyways.
Well...as you can see here, this appears to be completely untrue, at least as concerns Barry Taylor. Barry said "hell yes!" to the trip, not "hell no." Which makes me ponder whether Elm's version of HIS advice to them was 100% opposite as well.
It would certainly be a great irony if Elm ended up contributing to Harlow and Joe's capture and conviction, by giving them the notion that such a trip would be a good idea.
Barry's motive for giving the trip the thumbs up is pretty obvious to both Joe and Harlow:
Hmmm: "...we told him the whole story, everything..." I wonder if "everything" includes the fact that they murdered Bryan? Not at all a far fetched prospect, as we know they have freely blabbed about it to many others before; to Sean, to Grant, to Renee, and to at least three random cellmates.
Of course Mr. Taylor technically would have been duty bound to not to reveal this information, due to attorney-client priviledge. Still, this fact is interesting nonetheless. Especially in conjunction with the jailhouse revelation Barry Taylor may have been the original source of the idea to murder Bryan Kocis:
If he has...I imagine he's a disgruntled ex-Virginia trooper by now.
HARLOW CUADRA: Ain't shit gonna happen, so, better get on with the show.
JOSEPH KEREKES: Even Barry said, go film them.
That's funny, I thought so too!
That's because I distinctly recall Elm talking about this; about how he and Barry were both opposed to the trip, how they both felt it was a set up...and how Harlow and Joe ignored their dire warnings and went anyways.
Well...as you can see here, this appears to be completely untrue, at least as concerns Barry Taylor. Barry said "hell yes!" to the trip, not "hell no." Which makes me ponder whether Elm's version of HIS advice to them was 100% opposite as well.
It would certainly be a great irony if Elm ended up contributing to Harlow and Joe's capture and conviction, by giving them the notion that such a trip would be a good idea.
Barry's motive for giving the trip the thumbs up is pretty obvious to both Joe and Harlow:
Hmmm: "...we told him the whole story, everything..." I wonder if "everything" includes the fact that they murdered Bryan? Not at all a far fetched prospect, as we know they have freely blabbed about it to many others before; to Sean, to Grant, to Renee, and to at least three random cellmates.
Of course Mr. Taylor technically would have been duty bound to not to reveal this information, due to attorney-client priviledge. Still, this fact is interesting nonetheless. Especially in conjunction with the jailhouse revelation Barry Taylor may have been the original source of the idea to murder Bryan Kocis:
"KEREKES advised RIGGS that he and CUADRA conspired to murder the victim as a result of a desire to hire “some porn guy from another state” who was under contract with the victim. According to KEREKES, he and CUADRA met said actor “in another state” to discuss doing business that would“make (CUADRA and KEREKES) millions. Upon their return, they discussed the venture with TAYLOR, who advised that the only way that CUADRA and KEREKES would benefit significantly from the arrangement was if the victim were to “disappear’."Joe goes on to make more observations about Mr. Taylor's character, via an anecdote (which we've discussed here before):
OK, one final musing here: Notice Joe mentions a "State Trooper down at the end" who aided and abetted their flight by illegally running their license plates for them. I wonder whether this rogue Virginia trooper has been exposed yet?GRANT ROY: You gave them all your stuff?
If he has...I imagine he's a disgruntled ex-Virginia trooper by now.
Thursday, June 12, 2008
Truth, Lies and Blakester
Wow, where to start with this topic? (hey what a catchy opening line, I'll have to use it more often!)
First of all, I promised to reveal that initial post of mine that Jakester deleted the other day. Now, he's been in Preacher George mode, deleting things left-and-right in a mad panic, but this was the first...this was the horrific comment which set it all off yesterday.
And here it is. WARNING! It is really shocking and obscene. You should make sure small children are not near the computer screen right now.
OK ready? Here goes...you might want to sit down, brace yourself for impact folks, as this comment is REALLY offensive and out there...this is your last warning! If you opt to read on, it is at your own risk. If you notice, I'm writing it in red, so the faint of heart can skip over it more easily.
The comment of mine that Jakester blew a gasket over (and rightly so, no doubt...it's a doozie, folks!) and just HAD to delete is (drum roll......):
Whew! Yeah, heavy, huh? I'll give you all a moment to regain your composure after reading this TRULY DISGUSTING and thus HAD TO BE DELETED by Blakester comment."'Jakester said... I have no doubt that we were all duped by Harlow and Joe. Well more Harlow for me than Joe since I did talk to Harlow a handful of times.'Jakester sees the light! Well well well...
You know, it would be remiss of me now if I did not point out to you that I was right about Harlow and Joe (especially Harlow) all along.
Just thought I'd mention that! :-)"
LOL!
Now, I'm tempted to just end this post here, but there are a few things he's said in his preserved comments that he unsuccessfully (thanks to me) tried to eradicate, that simply demand further comment. First of which is, his claim that he "was a cop for 12 years and then had some medical problems had to hang up the ol’ gun belt and badge and then proceeded with another career. (Paramedic)" Said "medical problem" he later embellished to be a "kidney transplant."
Sorry, no, this does not pass the bullshit test. I know people in emergency services, and a paramedic is at least an equally physically demanding job as a police officer (if not more so). And I can't see a paramedic unit risking legal liability in putting a slower disabled person in such a position...it's literally inviting a lawsuit if a patient dies during transport.
No, the ex-cop part is possibly the truth...but the medical excuse is IMO a lie. My guess, based on profiling his past postings (IE, bad cop stories galore), is that he is a disgruntled ex-policeman, fired for performance reasons...quite possibly for criminal misconduct/corruption while on the job. I think his "bad cop" stories are a means of revenge against the profession that cast him out, and quite possibly a form of pyschological projection as well.
The second thing IMO that does not pass the bullshit test is his stated reason here for getting into Kocis blogging: "...I am originally from Virginia ... and that I still follow a lot of capital cases in my home state."
OK...first of all...this is NOT a Virginia capital case. This is a Pennsylvania capital case. The only media coverage this case got in Virginia were relatively obscure and minor stories, mostly about the forfeiture and extradition...and after H&J were extradited to PA, nothing. There must have been dozens of higher profile murder cases during the same time frame in VA that should have attracted Blakester purported interest as an armchair detective specializing in Old Dominion crime. So...why the Harlow and Joe murder case?
Ah, you might say, the case got a fair amount of national coverage in the gay media (especially the gay porn media), maybe he came across it there? Well, no. If you notice in the comments, he denies being gay. No, he's a straight man...who just happens to be interested in a gay porn murder case, from a state he has NOTHING to do with (Pennsylvania).
Second of all...he mentions Joe writing him 3 letters for canteen money. Really? Just like that, out of the blue? How'd Joe get Blakester's address, I wonder?
And third...he asked Renee to have Harlow call him...why? To get his side of the story, he says. But then, Harlow can't talk about the case to strangers, and so, according to Blakester, he does not. Huh???? As an ex-corrections officer, Blakester should have known that...so, then, what was the point???
So yeah, I think it's very likely that Blakester, a disgruntled ex-Virginia trooper ("If you care to know I also wrote more tickets in a day than most would write in a year") has a personal connection to this case he is not letting onto.
One final observation, this on a statement from his "Final" (if we're lucky) Harlow and Joe post:
"If you have not noticed, I moved on to other cases (long before now). I really have no interest in the continued crap one has to endure to blog about this case."No Blakester, the reason you are fleeing is that I was right about Harlow and Joe all along, you were wrong...and after all the muslinging personal attacks, deliberate misinformation, threats to "out" bloggers, and just plain idiotic statements ("if they are innocent, why did they help the police?") you made in order to put two cold-blooded murderers back on the streets...you are too much of a coward to face that fact.
So long, Blakester! I think it's fair to say you will NOT be missed. Buh bye!
PS: Oh yeah, I also notice in your "Final" H&J post you still manage to express dismay about those "chicken shit" anonymous bloggers in this case (as usual, completely oblivious to the hypocrisy of yourself being a chicken shit anonymous blogger). Well, guess what Blakester...you're gonna get your fondest wish. I'm going to reveal my identity to you.
But not yet. And not here. No, look for me at the trial in PA, September 2. You won't be able to miss me: I'll be the one standing two feet in front of you, laughing in your face.
The Jakester-Renee Comments
Yep, the same ones Jakester just tried to delete off his blog...saved and preserved here:
"Truth, Lies and Renee Martin"
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Truth, Lies and Renee Martin.
Where to start with this topic? Jim posted on his blog that I was being silent regarding this case, he is right. For once I will admit Jim is right about something. lol.
Some time ago, after Joe wrote a letter to me begging for money for canteen I knew then he was guilty of this crime. Basic criminal profiling, Joe proclaims his innocents, wants people to feel bad for him and try’s to solicits fund since he has done nothing wrong. Basic criminal profiling proved Joe guilty. Now let me say this about Joe. I have only had 3 communications with him, all by letters and all were the same. He said he was innocent, begged for money and said he would be out of jail soon and if I sent him money he would tell me all. Needless to say I never sent him anything. Not to mention, I have never had much use for Joe. Never have believed a single word he has said unlike so many of you now. Since those letters, my interest in this case has declined over time. As Ree should be able to testify too since our calls and emails almost became non-existent.
Before you think I never have talked to anyone in this situation, I have arrested my fair share of criminals during my tenure as a law enforcement officer. I was a cop for 12 years and then had some medical problems had to hang up the ol’ gun belt and badge and then proceeded with another career. (Paramedic)
During the last many years as a cop I arrested more Violent Crime Suspects, Drug Suspects, DUI Suspects than any other officer in the county I worked in. I might also add I had the highest conviction rate. If you care to know I also wrote more tickets in a day than most would write in a year. I was a hardass cop.
Also before working the street as a cop, I was a Deputy and assigned to corrections. During this tenure I talked to convicted murders on a daily basis in my job performance. Hell, one of them would only talk to me when I was on duty. He refused to talk to any other correctional officer. He would write everything down on paper and then if he wanted to talk he would wait for me to come to work. He even went as far to say that if I ever needed anyone killed, to get a name to him even while incarcerated for life. The inmate had killed 2 people, one cut throat and burned with gasoline and then burned his house down on him. The second one died of a gsw to the head and then was covered with tires and set on fire with gasoline. The reason he done it was he wanted to see them burn in hell. He was on scene of both fire calls as the firefighters tried to put out the fires.
So rest assured I have experience with the worst of the worst, I have arrested the worst of the worst and I have heard every excuse possible know to man regarding crimes.
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Harlow has been different than any other criminal I have ever talked too. He has always been well mannered and polite. He has even apologized for using occasional profanity. This has thrown me for a loop and led me to believe there was more to this story than we all knew. As far as posting, you can never find any post where I proclaim he is innocent. I did support Harlow in the beginning and even that support has dwindled down to non-existent.
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But something that bothers me now is revelation of Renee Martin.
Initially, I thought Ree was an awesome person and she went above and beyond helping a friend. I never once thought she has a motive for this other than to help out Harlow and Joe.
We have talked over the last year. If she wanted to stir the pot, so to speak, she would have certain things posted to get something started in this blogging community. She thought the traffic to the blog was better if there was some conflict taking place and she thought she could get more money for them if more people were at the Harlow blog. So from time to time she would ask me to post something or we would talk about what she was posting and sometimes re-word what she had written.
Some days we would spend an hour just going over everyone’s blog and reading the comments that were posted.
I knew the FBI took (or she handed over) all of the letters, I also knew about the 3 way calls. Some days while we were talking she would have to go since they were calling.
Now Renee just so you know, as per one of our last conversation, you said you could go on a vacation with me since I was gay and your husband would not question it since I was gay.
Renee I’m not gay. I’m not part of the gay community in any way other than blogging about some gay cases. Just wanted you to get that fact right.
In one of our last conversations she told me of threats she has received from Joe’s family and some of the stuff going on now. She asked that I not post any of it and at her request I did not.
I felt bad for her to have done everything she has done and now it results in her being threatened.
Then a few days later, she posts everything on line. Now from our conversations over the last year I have to question what I believe when it comes to her.
She has purposely lied in the past to start shit on line. Now she is the key witness in a murder case?
I’m not sure what to believe now when it comes to Renee Martin. I did find a lot of humor in her comment on Jim’s blog, (talk about the pot calling the kettle black)
“Renee said...
In these circumstances, I'D FULLY EXPECT some sort of online flirting to be going on. So...?
June 9, 2008 3:08 AM
I believe from what I was told there was some online relationship between Harlow and Peter pan but I don’t know if it is true or not, like I said Jim when it comes to peter pan and grant I don’t know what to make of the whole thing. I really don’t like that subject because most of my opinion would be based off of what was said from Harlow and Joe and I don’t know if it was truth or a lie. That is the big problem when you lie to so many people they don’t know whether to believe you or not.”
So I must ask, is Renee Martin being truthful now?
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May God have mercy on all those involved in this case.
posted by Jakester at 11:31 AM on Jun 10, 2008
Renee said...
jakester:
I am not the one that said the stuff that was said on the phone, i am not the one that caused the fbi to show up at my house, and i am not the one that put me in the middle of this. they did! You can write all you want but they H and J found it amusing when the fbi came to my house and lets not talk about there three phone conversations that i did not stay on the phone to listen too. Yes i got to read those, what nice things they had to say about someone going out of there way to help them.
They did what they did and they will suffer the punishment, they have both caused me enough anguish and hurt that i will tell it all and they will have to deal with it, besides all there phone conversation were taped and there is not a chance in hell that there can be an issue when it was all taped, it is not off of memory it is off a taped converstation.
I used to think harlow was a nice guy to that was in a bad situation until i heard about plan a, b, c, d, and e , and almost puked. so lets not talk about what a nice guy harlow is, he uses people just like joe does to get what he wants , he plays the part of the actor and we fall for it. So whether it is the truth or not, hell they said it so only they know, they cant change it cause they said it and it is on recording and typed out. So who tells the truth, the tapes do , they dont lie, you cant change what is recorded. So say what you must becuase i am sure that you were also just another sucker in there game just as i was.... Everyone that tried to help them was a sucker and a pawn in there game. They have never done or cared about anyone but themselves. they are better then the rest of us, we dont compare to them, so before you go knocking it remember you werent the one with the fbi at your door cause joe couldnt keep his big fat mouth shut, no one asked him to tell me, he just cant shut up.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:11:00 PM
Renee said...
And if you knew this about joe last year then you should of been nice enough to tell the rest of us that he was begging money from you to tell you the story ,but did you ever say that , no you said he wrote to you and you didnt want to write to him and didnt know how he got your address. So maybe you should of shared with the rest of us.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:13:00 PM
Renee said...
Jakester,
Why dont you admit to begging me to tell harlow to call you when he was on the phone. Or how you can tell him i will be in in the morning call between 7-11am , so dont go there with this holier then thou attitude. You got played just like the rest of us.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:16:00 PM
Renee said...
May God have mercy on all those involved in this case.
including yourself.....
which one of your stories is the truth jakester or is that Blake? Which story is the truth that you have been duping the all of the gay people involved in this case by saying you were gay and now coming out.
Or that you never had any feelings for harlow and wanted him to call you, believe me blake i can do the same thing you are doing, but atleast tell it the way it is, they duped everyone including you and you know it.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:34:00 PM
Gluttony said...
jakester
Now Renee just so you know, as per one of our last conversation, you said you could go on a vacation with me since I was gay and your husband would not question it since I was gay.
Hell ya now we have we have a threesome because we haft to include Pastor George.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:50:00 PM
Renee said...
Blake this might be quiet enjoyable with pastor george involved , so where are you taking me and pastor george on vacation?
Can we leave around the trial date?
Since you have law enforcement connections then you can fix the bond the bond ppo put me on so that i can take this leisurely vacation with you and your nursing kit.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:53:00 PM
Jakester said...
Renee,
First and foremost, I have never said I was gay or coming out.
I think if you look back at my blog, I said my ex-wife might say that as a way to hurt me, but other than that I have never said I was coming out to anyone.
Come to think of it, I don’t think other than the statements of my ex-wife that anyone has even questioned my sexuality.
I did not say you were at fault nor did you ask to be placed in the middle of this.
However, you did relay many messages to me that you are now claiming to be false
So which version do I believe?
Think back, how many times did you tell me Harlow broke the glasses at dinner every time Grant said murder?
As far as knowing Joe definitely was involved, I think you should have been able to pick up on some of that as well. It was not that hard to figure out.
Begging to have Harlow call? Asking you to tell Harlow to call me is a far fetch from begging.
Unlike so many others I do believe there are 2 sides to every story and the only way to get one side of it was to talk to Harlow. Which never happened since we never would talk about the case itself. Which would also explain why I have not even talked to him in months since the last letter from Joe.
Wanting to get information on a murder hardly constitutes wanting a relationship with a person accused of murder. I still love to follow true crime today.
I have no doubt that we were all duped by Harlow and Joe. Well more Harlow for me than Joe since I did talk to Harlow a handful of times.
As far as the vacation, have fun with preacher George.
However, I would like to meet you sometime. I do think you went above and beyond what any friend would ever do to help someone you believed in. I still think that makes you a pretty awesome person and no one can ever take that away from you.
Rest assured that was not my attempt with this blog.
But a couple of thing you have to remember Ree is most all the information that I got regarding this case came from you.
Now within 3 letters from Joe I realized he was guilty. I cannot see how you or anyone else could not see the same thing, yet you played us all for the last year.
My point is simple and as you yourself posted.
If you lie enough people don’t know what to believe.
I’m at that point with you Ree.
Oh yeah and by the way you left out my last name and that I work at a Catholic Hospital, in St. Petersburg, Florida.
You also left out the fact that the name Jake is my x-step son, hence the names The Jakester for my blog.
You also left out that I am originally from Virginia and lived in Florida for the past 8 almost 9 years now and that I still follow a lot of capital cases in my home state.
Is there anything else, not thinking so. Since you honestly only knew so little about me.
I do pray to God everyday and I do pray for me along with a lot of others. Has nothing to do with being holier than thou, has to do with a strong belief in God.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:11:00 PM
Jakester said...
Renee,
First and foremost, I have never said I was gay or coming out.
I think if you look back at my blog, I said my ex-wife might say that as a way to hurt me, but other than that I have never said I was coming out to anyone.
Come to think of it, I don’t think other than the statements of my ex-wife that anyone has even questioned my sexuality.
I did not say you were at fault nor did you ask to be placed in the middle of this.
However, you did relay many messages to me that you are now claiming to be false
So which version do I believe?
Think back, how many times did you tell me Harlow broke the glasses at dinner every time Grant said murder?
As far as knowing Joe definitely was involved, I think you should have been able to pick up on some of that as well. It was not that hard to figure out.
Begging to have Harlow call? Asking you to tell Harlow to call me is a far fetch from begging.
Unlike so many others I do believe there are 2 sides to every story and the only way to get one side of it was to talk to Harlow. Which never happened since we never would talk about the case itself. Which would also explain why I have not even talked to him in months since the last letter from Joe.
Wanting to get information on a murder hardly constitutes wanting a relationship with a person accused of murder. I still love to follow true crime today.
I have no doubt that we were all duped by Harlow and Joe. Well more Harlow for me than Joe since I did talk to Harlow a handful of times.
As far as the vacation, have fun with preacher George.
However, I would like to meet you sometime. I do think you went above and beyond what any friend would ever do to help someone you believed in. I still think that makes you a pretty awesome person and no one can ever take that away from you.
Rest assured that was not my attempt with this blog.
But a couple of thing you have to remember Ree is most all the information that I got regarding this case came from you.
Now within 3 letters from Joe I realized he was guilty. I cannot see how you or anyone else could not see the same thing, yet you played us all for the last year.
My point is simple and as you yourself posted.
If you lie enough people don’t know what to believe.
I’m at that point with you Ree.
Oh yeah and by the way you left out my last name and that I work at a Catholic Hospital, in St. Petersburg, Florida.
You also left out the fact that the name Jake is my x-step son, hence the names The Jakester for my blog.
You also left out that I am originally from Virginia and lived in Florida for the past 8 almost 9 years now and that I still follow a lot of capital cases in my home state.
Is there anything else, not thinking so. Since you honestly only knew so little about me.
I do pray to God everyday and I do pray for me along with a lot of others. Has nothing to do with being holier than thou, has to do with a strong belief in God.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:12:00 PM
Renee said...
Blake,
As for getting caught up in the middle of a murder case i never asked for it , i believed harlow and joe when they said they were innocent and framed up, I never told joe to start blabbing his mouth, he has done alot of that in the last six months, and what i told you was what was told to me , lie after lie of it from there mouths to cover up a crime they committed, and in the process it did not matter who they took down with them.
I would help anyone that needed help not just harlow and joe, some of us are just made up like that, we dont have any control over it. But i never asked joe to do or say the things he said on the phone, i never wanted to know. I started every phone converstation with him and harlow off by stating watch what you say , who you say it too, and how you say it and that includes me. this should of been enough to get anyone to keep there mouths shut.
I dont like what joe did, it puts me in a very bad place, I believe that some where deep inside harlow has some good in him and that some one can salvage that good and make him a good person, (just not me). I am very angry at the two of them for all the lies and the garbage that they told. All anyone asked was that they be honest and not from day one were they honest with anyone.Makes you never want to ever help anyone again in your life, but i know with time i will get over this and someone else will come along that needs help and i will do whatever i can to help them.
But to be duped and shit on for all this time, to believe they were innocent of this crime, to be told that grant scared me with the talk of murder and that is how the wine glasses got broke, who knows this could either be the truth or a lie i dont know anymore, i dont know if anything they ever said was the truth or if all of it was lies. None of us will ever know. It really sucks that people you would help would talk about you like trash. I never had a motive for helping harlow and joe besides they needed the help. But you cant help the guilty unless they fess up to there crimes, they cant even get help in prison unless they ask for it and take it.
It was really horrible to find how amusing they thought the fbi coming to my house was, and that joe thought it was funny that his mother was calling harassing me. This is just unbelievable, how can people think this way. how can they do this to people? Why would anyone want to do this to people? They are both sick, they need help. As for the lies you claim i told you well Blake they werent my lies they were what i was told and i believed them becuase i never thought they would lie the way they have.
Now if you can understand this kind of anger then you will understand where i am coming from.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:09:00 PM
Jakester said...
Renee,
I do understand your anger and frustrations.
Yes you did want to be in the middle of this. Hence you said yes to help two people arrested of a capital crime. So in some way you did ask for it.
Overall, I still believe and have a lot of faith in our Criminal Justice System.
Even with my post in the past talking against the system, I still believe in it whole heartedly. But even though I still have a strong belief in the system, rest assured there are still problems within the system. My post were made to point out that just because some attorney comes up with a theory, does not make it true until it’s tried and proven in a court of law. That was the point in this case. I did not believe the theories presented by the state just from reading the criminal complaint. I had that opinion well before ever talking to you. I still believe there are two sides to every story.
I guess what I have more of a problem with is if this was happening, why did it take so long for you to say something? I mean honestly, I figured Joe was guilty by his third letter and you spoke with them daily and who knows how many letters you had.
Was it just waiting on the FBI to arrive so you could use them as an escape goat? So you could tell they showed up and I had to tell all?
I mean you knew when I got letters from Joe, since I told you and told you the just of what they said. I don’t understand how this went on for so long without you knowing something more before now.
I also don’t understand that with everything that has been said about other bloggers that you decided to post to their blogs. Now you claim that you are one of them. wow.
With comments made in the past do I believe you are like them?
Not to mention all the time we have talked about everything I would have never classified you are someone of their standards. Rest assured it was much higher than some of the other bloggers.
One of the best thing follow this case has been meeting people like you. I still have the utmost respect for you and what you tried to do.
I just don’t know what to believe anymore following this case. I don’t. It’s that simple.
This is exactly why I have not been posting anywhere about this case, not following any ones blog and I have moved on to open my blog to other cases.
I think I even told you before I grew tired and frustrated following this case and took a couple months away from this case.
Can you understand where I am coming from?
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:05:00 PM
Renee said...
please call me this deserves the courtesy of phone call to answer this
thank you
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:28:00 PM
Jakester said...
Renee,
Thanks for the phone call tonight. The conversation helped clarify a lot of issues.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:04:00 PM
"Truth, Lies and Renee Martin"
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Truth, Lies and Renee Martin.
Where to start with this topic? Jim posted on his blog that I was being silent regarding this case, he is right. For once I will admit Jim is right about something. lol.
Some time ago, after Joe wrote a letter to me begging for money for canteen I knew then he was guilty of this crime. Basic criminal profiling, Joe proclaims his innocents, wants people to feel bad for him and try’s to solicits fund since he has done nothing wrong. Basic criminal profiling proved Joe guilty. Now let me say this about Joe. I have only had 3 communications with him, all by letters and all were the same. He said he was innocent, begged for money and said he would be out of jail soon and if I sent him money he would tell me all. Needless to say I never sent him anything. Not to mention, I have never had much use for Joe. Never have believed a single word he has said unlike so many of you now. Since those letters, my interest in this case has declined over time. As Ree should be able to testify too since our calls and emails almost became non-existent.
Before you think I never have talked to anyone in this situation, I have arrested my fair share of criminals during my tenure as a law enforcement officer. I was a cop for 12 years and then had some medical problems had to hang up the ol’ gun belt and badge and then proceeded with another career. (Paramedic)
During the last many years as a cop I arrested more Violent Crime Suspects, Drug Suspects, DUI Suspects than any other officer in the county I worked in. I might also add I had the highest conviction rate. If you care to know I also wrote more tickets in a day than most would write in a year. I was a hardass cop.
Also before working the street as a cop, I was a Deputy and assigned to corrections. During this tenure I talked to convicted murders on a daily basis in my job performance. Hell, one of them would only talk to me when I was on duty. He refused to talk to any other correctional officer. He would write everything down on paper and then if he wanted to talk he would wait for me to come to work. He even went as far to say that if I ever needed anyone killed, to get a name to him even while incarcerated for life. The inmate had killed 2 people, one cut throat and burned with gasoline and then burned his house down on him. The second one died of a gsw to the head and then was covered with tires and set on fire with gasoline. The reason he done it was he wanted to see them burn in hell. He was on scene of both fire calls as the firefighters tried to put out the fires.
So rest assured I have experience with the worst of the worst, I have arrested the worst of the worst and I have heard every excuse possible know to man regarding crimes.
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Harlow has been different than any other criminal I have ever talked too. He has always been well mannered and polite. He has even apologized for using occasional profanity. This has thrown me for a loop and led me to believe there was more to this story than we all knew. As far as posting, you can never find any post where I proclaim he is innocent. I did support Harlow in the beginning and even that support has dwindled down to non-existent.
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But something that bothers me now is revelation of Renee Martin.
Initially, I thought Ree was an awesome person and she went above and beyond helping a friend. I never once thought she has a motive for this other than to help out Harlow and Joe.
We have talked over the last year. If she wanted to stir the pot, so to speak, she would have certain things posted to get something started in this blogging community. She thought the traffic to the blog was better if there was some conflict taking place and she thought she could get more money for them if more people were at the Harlow blog. So from time to time she would ask me to post something or we would talk about what she was posting and sometimes re-word what she had written.
Some days we would spend an hour just going over everyone’s blog and reading the comments that were posted.
I knew the FBI took (or she handed over) all of the letters, I also knew about the 3 way calls. Some days while we were talking she would have to go since they were calling.
Now Renee just so you know, as per one of our last conversation, you said you could go on a vacation with me since I was gay and your husband would not question it since I was gay.
Renee I’m not gay. I’m not part of the gay community in any way other than blogging about some gay cases. Just wanted you to get that fact right.
In one of our last conversations she told me of threats she has received from Joe’s family and some of the stuff going on now. She asked that I not post any of it and at her request I did not.
I felt bad for her to have done everything she has done and now it results in her being threatened.
Then a few days later, she posts everything on line. Now from our conversations over the last year I have to question what I believe when it comes to her.
She has purposely lied in the past to start shit on line. Now she is the key witness in a murder case?
I’m not sure what to believe now when it comes to Renee Martin. I did find a lot of humor in her comment on Jim’s blog, (talk about the pot calling the kettle black)
“Renee said...
In these circumstances, I'D FULLY EXPECT some sort of online flirting to be going on. So...?
June 9, 2008 3:08 AM
I believe from what I was told there was some online relationship between Harlow and Peter pan but I don’t know if it is true or not, like I said Jim when it comes to peter pan and grant I don’t know what to make of the whole thing. I really don’t like that subject because most of my opinion would be based off of what was said from Harlow and Joe and I don’t know if it was truth or a lie. That is the big problem when you lie to so many people they don’t know whether to believe you or not.”
So I must ask, is Renee Martin being truthful now?
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May God have mercy on all those involved in this case.
posted by Jakester at 11:31 AM on Jun 10, 2008
Renee said...
jakester:
I am not the one that said the stuff that was said on the phone, i am not the one that caused the fbi to show up at my house, and i am not the one that put me in the middle of this. they did! You can write all you want but they H and J found it amusing when the fbi came to my house and lets not talk about there three phone conversations that i did not stay on the phone to listen too. Yes i got to read those, what nice things they had to say about someone going out of there way to help them.
They did what they did and they will suffer the punishment, they have both caused me enough anguish and hurt that i will tell it all and they will have to deal with it, besides all there phone conversation were taped and there is not a chance in hell that there can be an issue when it was all taped, it is not off of memory it is off a taped converstation.
I used to think harlow was a nice guy to that was in a bad situation until i heard about plan a, b, c, d, and e , and almost puked. so lets not talk about what a nice guy harlow is, he uses people just like joe does to get what he wants , he plays the part of the actor and we fall for it. So whether it is the truth or not, hell they said it so only they know, they cant change it cause they said it and it is on recording and typed out. So who tells the truth, the tapes do , they dont lie, you cant change what is recorded. So say what you must becuase i am sure that you were also just another sucker in there game just as i was.... Everyone that tried to help them was a sucker and a pawn in there game. They have never done or cared about anyone but themselves. they are better then the rest of us, we dont compare to them, so before you go knocking it remember you werent the one with the fbi at your door cause joe couldnt keep his big fat mouth shut, no one asked him to tell me, he just cant shut up.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:11:00 PM
Renee said...
And if you knew this about joe last year then you should of been nice enough to tell the rest of us that he was begging money from you to tell you the story ,but did you ever say that , no you said he wrote to you and you didnt want to write to him and didnt know how he got your address. So maybe you should of shared with the rest of us.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:13:00 PM
Renee said...
Jakester,
Why dont you admit to begging me to tell harlow to call you when he was on the phone. Or how you can tell him i will be in in the morning call between 7-11am , so dont go there with this holier then thou attitude. You got played just like the rest of us.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:16:00 PM
Renee said...
May God have mercy on all those involved in this case.
including yourself.....
which one of your stories is the truth jakester or is that Blake? Which story is the truth that you have been duping the all of the gay people involved in this case by saying you were gay and now coming out.
Or that you never had any feelings for harlow and wanted him to call you, believe me blake i can do the same thing you are doing, but atleast tell it the way it is, they duped everyone including you and you know it.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:34:00 PM
Gluttony said...
jakester
Now Renee just so you know, as per one of our last conversation, you said you could go on a vacation with me since I was gay and your husband would not question it since I was gay.
Hell ya now we have we have a threesome because we haft to include Pastor George.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:50:00 PM
Renee said...
Blake this might be quiet enjoyable with pastor george involved , so where are you taking me and pastor george on vacation?
Can we leave around the trial date?
Since you have law enforcement connections then you can fix the bond the bond ppo put me on so that i can take this leisurely vacation with you and your nursing kit.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:53:00 PM
Jakester said...
Renee,
First and foremost, I have never said I was gay or coming out.
I think if you look back at my blog, I said my ex-wife might say that as a way to hurt me, but other than that I have never said I was coming out to anyone.
Come to think of it, I don’t think other than the statements of my ex-wife that anyone has even questioned my sexuality.
I did not say you were at fault nor did you ask to be placed in the middle of this.
However, you did relay many messages to me that you are now claiming to be false
So which version do I believe?
Think back, how many times did you tell me Harlow broke the glasses at dinner every time Grant said murder?
As far as knowing Joe definitely was involved, I think you should have been able to pick up on some of that as well. It was not that hard to figure out.
Begging to have Harlow call? Asking you to tell Harlow to call me is a far fetch from begging.
Unlike so many others I do believe there are 2 sides to every story and the only way to get one side of it was to talk to Harlow. Which never happened since we never would talk about the case itself. Which would also explain why I have not even talked to him in months since the last letter from Joe.
Wanting to get information on a murder hardly constitutes wanting a relationship with a person accused of murder. I still love to follow true crime today.
I have no doubt that we were all duped by Harlow and Joe. Well more Harlow for me than Joe since I did talk to Harlow a handful of times.
As far as the vacation, have fun with preacher George.
However, I would like to meet you sometime. I do think you went above and beyond what any friend would ever do to help someone you believed in. I still think that makes you a pretty awesome person and no one can ever take that away from you.
Rest assured that was not my attempt with this blog.
But a couple of thing you have to remember Ree is most all the information that I got regarding this case came from you.
Now within 3 letters from Joe I realized he was guilty. I cannot see how you or anyone else could not see the same thing, yet you played us all for the last year.
My point is simple and as you yourself posted.
If you lie enough people don’t know what to believe.
I’m at that point with you Ree.
Oh yeah and by the way you left out my last name and that I work at a Catholic Hospital, in St. Petersburg, Florida.
You also left out the fact that the name Jake is my x-step son, hence the names The Jakester for my blog.
You also left out that I am originally from Virginia and lived in Florida for the past 8 almost 9 years now and that I still follow a lot of capital cases in my home state.
Is there anything else, not thinking so. Since you honestly only knew so little about me.
I do pray to God everyday and I do pray for me along with a lot of others. Has nothing to do with being holier than thou, has to do with a strong belief in God.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:11:00 PM
Jakester said...
Renee,
First and foremost, I have never said I was gay or coming out.
I think if you look back at my blog, I said my ex-wife might say that as a way to hurt me, but other than that I have never said I was coming out to anyone.
Come to think of it, I don’t think other than the statements of my ex-wife that anyone has even questioned my sexuality.
I did not say you were at fault nor did you ask to be placed in the middle of this.
However, you did relay many messages to me that you are now claiming to be false
So which version do I believe?
Think back, how many times did you tell me Harlow broke the glasses at dinner every time Grant said murder?
As far as knowing Joe definitely was involved, I think you should have been able to pick up on some of that as well. It was not that hard to figure out.
Begging to have Harlow call? Asking you to tell Harlow to call me is a far fetch from begging.
Unlike so many others I do believe there are 2 sides to every story and the only way to get one side of it was to talk to Harlow. Which never happened since we never would talk about the case itself. Which would also explain why I have not even talked to him in months since the last letter from Joe.
Wanting to get information on a murder hardly constitutes wanting a relationship with a person accused of murder. I still love to follow true crime today.
I have no doubt that we were all duped by Harlow and Joe. Well more Harlow for me than Joe since I did talk to Harlow a handful of times.
As far as the vacation, have fun with preacher George.
However, I would like to meet you sometime. I do think you went above and beyond what any friend would ever do to help someone you believed in. I still think that makes you a pretty awesome person and no one can ever take that away from you.
Rest assured that was not my attempt with this blog.
But a couple of thing you have to remember Ree is most all the information that I got regarding this case came from you.
Now within 3 letters from Joe I realized he was guilty. I cannot see how you or anyone else could not see the same thing, yet you played us all for the last year.
My point is simple and as you yourself posted.
If you lie enough people don’t know what to believe.
I’m at that point with you Ree.
Oh yeah and by the way you left out my last name and that I work at a Catholic Hospital, in St. Petersburg, Florida.
You also left out the fact that the name Jake is my x-step son, hence the names The Jakester for my blog.
You also left out that I am originally from Virginia and lived in Florida for the past 8 almost 9 years now and that I still follow a lot of capital cases in my home state.
Is there anything else, not thinking so. Since you honestly only knew so little about me.
I do pray to God everyday and I do pray for me along with a lot of others. Has nothing to do with being holier than thou, has to do with a strong belief in God.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:12:00 PM
Renee said...
Blake,
As for getting caught up in the middle of a murder case i never asked for it , i believed harlow and joe when they said they were innocent and framed up, I never told joe to start blabbing his mouth, he has done alot of that in the last six months, and what i told you was what was told to me , lie after lie of it from there mouths to cover up a crime they committed, and in the process it did not matter who they took down with them.
I would help anyone that needed help not just harlow and joe, some of us are just made up like that, we dont have any control over it. But i never asked joe to do or say the things he said on the phone, i never wanted to know. I started every phone converstation with him and harlow off by stating watch what you say , who you say it too, and how you say it and that includes me. this should of been enough to get anyone to keep there mouths shut.
I dont like what joe did, it puts me in a very bad place, I believe that some where deep inside harlow has some good in him and that some one can salvage that good and make him a good person, (just not me). I am very angry at the two of them for all the lies and the garbage that they told. All anyone asked was that they be honest and not from day one were they honest with anyone.Makes you never want to ever help anyone again in your life, but i know with time i will get over this and someone else will come along that needs help and i will do whatever i can to help them.
But to be duped and shit on for all this time, to believe they were innocent of this crime, to be told that grant scared me with the talk of murder and that is how the wine glasses got broke, who knows this could either be the truth or a lie i dont know anymore, i dont know if anything they ever said was the truth or if all of it was lies. None of us will ever know. It really sucks that people you would help would talk about you like trash. I never had a motive for helping harlow and joe besides they needed the help. But you cant help the guilty unless they fess up to there crimes, they cant even get help in prison unless they ask for it and take it.
It was really horrible to find how amusing they thought the fbi coming to my house was, and that joe thought it was funny that his mother was calling harassing me. This is just unbelievable, how can people think this way. how can they do this to people? Why would anyone want to do this to people? They are both sick, they need help. As for the lies you claim i told you well Blake they werent my lies they were what i was told and i believed them becuase i never thought they would lie the way they have.
Now if you can understand this kind of anger then you will understand where i am coming from.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:09:00 PM
Jakester said...
Renee,
I do understand your anger and frustrations.
Yes you did want to be in the middle of this. Hence you said yes to help two people arrested of a capital crime. So in some way you did ask for it.
Overall, I still believe and have a lot of faith in our Criminal Justice System.
Even with my post in the past talking against the system, I still believe in it whole heartedly. But even though I still have a strong belief in the system, rest assured there are still problems within the system. My post were made to point out that just because some attorney comes up with a theory, does not make it true until it’s tried and proven in a court of law. That was the point in this case. I did not believe the theories presented by the state just from reading the criminal complaint. I had that opinion well before ever talking to you. I still believe there are two sides to every story.
I guess what I have more of a problem with is if this was happening, why did it take so long for you to say something? I mean honestly, I figured Joe was guilty by his third letter and you spoke with them daily and who knows how many letters you had.
Was it just waiting on the FBI to arrive so you could use them as an escape goat? So you could tell they showed up and I had to tell all?
I mean you knew when I got letters from Joe, since I told you and told you the just of what they said. I don’t understand how this went on for so long without you knowing something more before now.
I also don’t understand that with everything that has been said about other bloggers that you decided to post to their blogs. Now you claim that you are one of them. wow.
With comments made in the past do I believe you are like them?
Not to mention all the time we have talked about everything I would have never classified you are someone of their standards. Rest assured it was much higher than some of the other bloggers.
One of the best thing follow this case has been meeting people like you. I still have the utmost respect for you and what you tried to do.
I just don’t know what to believe anymore following this case. I don’t. It’s that simple.
This is exactly why I have not been posting anywhere about this case, not following any ones blog and I have moved on to open my blog to other cases.
I think I even told you before I grew tired and frustrated following this case and took a couple months away from this case.
Can you understand where I am coming from?
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:05:00 PM
Renee said...
please call me this deserves the courtesy of phone call to answer this
thank you
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:28:00 PM
Jakester said...
Renee,
Thanks for the phone call tonight. The conversation helped clarify a lot of issues.
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:04:00 PM
Friday, June 6, 2008
Will The Last H&J Supporter Please Turn Out The Lights...
Well, I think the obvious thing to do today would be to write a brief post summarizing the whirlwind events of the past two days. That way, any latecomers to the news can find out exactly what went down, without having to wade through 100s of comments on my and PC's blogs.
What happened in a nutshell is this: It was revealed two days ago that blogger "Gluttony," author of the anti-H/J Sons of Sam Blog, is actually James Martin. He's the husband of Renee Martin, who for a time was the lead figure in the Harlow and Joe fundraising efforts.
But a far bigger bombshell was the revelation that Renee was no longer even remotely connected with Harlow and Joe; quite the contrary, she had become a VERY enthusiastic pro-prosecution witness, who "basically sang like a bird" on what she overheard during 3-way prison phone calls with Harlow and Joe. As Renee pithily put it: "Harlow and Joe are guilty have known this for quiet a while, might have been the confessions on the phone that were the give away."
Renee's status as a Harlowite apostate came as a complete shock to most everyone. Myself included...although I must say, it was a most pleasant shock!
The DA seems to have been surprised by this development as well; the material witness papers drawn up before she came to Luzerne County last weekend seems to imply she'd be uncooperative; and according to Renee, authorities made very half-hearted initial attempts to contact her. Looks like everyone was taken aback on this (except perhaps PC).
The Martins' story was revealed in various comments yesterday, and is quite interesting. I'll try to outline it here; Renee and James, if I make any errors let me know, and I'll correct them ASAP.
The Martins (and the rest of the neighborhood) did not know Harlow and Joe that well prior to the SWAT raid. There was a general knowledge out there that the house was used for male prostitution, but as long as they weren't doing it out in the streets, a live and let live attitude seems to have prevailed. Traffic to and from the house was not out of the ordinary. The Martins' contacts with H&J during this time seemed limited to typical yard work issues, and occasional glimpses of them walking their dog around the cul-de-sac in daisy duke shorts.
Then came the SWAT raid, which woke up the neighborhood in the middle of the night with flash-bang grenades. The Martins (like everyone else in the cul-de-sac, apparently) assumed it was in regards prostitution activities.
Later, a mutual friend of Renee and H&J informed her of the true nature of the raid, and her belief in the innocence of H&J. Renee becomes convinced, and for a time became the point person for H&J legal defense fundraising efforts.
This state of affairs lasted until her participation in an illicit 3-way prison phone conversation with Harlow and Joe. During that conversation, while we do not know exactly what was said (and wont know until the next hearing on July 8-9), we do know she finds out that H&J were far from innocent. And that was her moment of epiphany; according to Renee, she ceased then and there to be a "Harlowite." In effect, she became of like-mind with her husband James, who never did believe in their innocence. According to James, the visitation of "Harlowites" to their home made him physically ill.
I assume she just drifted away from the cause at this point (and both moving away to Fort Worth?).
And after that, they just waited for the PA DA to show up. Both were secretly eager to cooperate, and perhaps would have done so sooner but for disputes over travel expenses.
And that about wraps it up. Not too much more to add, as a lot of details about H&J apparently cannot be revealed until the next hearing on July 8-9. They did, however, weigh in on the competing conspiracy theories out there. And thoroughly debunked both.
Again, as Renee pithily puts it: "Sean and Grant and Robert, who the hells cares about them, they didn't do the murder. Ok Clue, Joe and Halrow in jail for murder, robert sean and grant, FREE." And she does not stop there. According to Renee, what happened at the Vegas dinner with Sean and Grant was irrelevant to this case; and as for Robert Wagner, in what could possibly be the all-time greatest Kocisphere quote ever:
Among H&J few remaining online supporters, a general pall of silence reigns, showing they are in a state of shock too. Elm has said nothing. Jakester has said nothing; indeed, has apparently decided to take on other murder cases (and have a friend fix your credit too!). Preacher George, as is his nature, immediately panicked and deleted every comment he could get his hands on (no word on whether this was the result of Divine Providence or not).
Oh and last and certainly least, Kent Barclay promised us an interview with Renee (and her husband "Joe," LOL!), which seems rather unlikely at this point as Renee publicly told him on this very blog yesterday to "piss off." LOL!
And...I think that covers it! Have I missed anything important? If so, let me know!
Update: Oh yeah, just like yesterday, I am more than happy to have my blog serve as a Q&A forum for the Martins, if they so desire!
Update 2: Just a reminder on a long-standing policy of mine. Which I am going to stick to, as a matter of principle...it has served me well, I think.
Update 3: Yet another enterprise touched by the hand of Kent Barclay ends in ignominious failure. Funny thing about this death-by-association is that it happened three days ago, and no one really noticed or cared about it until now.
Update 4: Wow. Read the comments too...
Update 5: Blake aka "The Jakester" engages in censorship! For those who missed it...you wanna see the comment he deleted? Stay tuned for my next post (tentative title: "Truth, Lies and Blakester"), where it will be re-posted and revealed! In addition to a few other observations of mine, appropriate to the occasion...LOL! Oh, this is gonna be FUN... :-D
What happened in a nutshell is this: It was revealed two days ago that blogger "Gluttony," author of the anti-H/J Sons of Sam Blog, is actually James Martin. He's the husband of Renee Martin, who for a time was the lead figure in the Harlow and Joe fundraising efforts.
But a far bigger bombshell was the revelation that Renee was no longer even remotely connected with Harlow and Joe; quite the contrary, she had become a VERY enthusiastic pro-prosecution witness, who "basically sang like a bird" on what she overheard during 3-way prison phone calls with Harlow and Joe. As Renee pithily put it: "Harlow and Joe are guilty have known this for quiet a while, might have been the confessions on the phone that were the give away."
Renee's status as a Harlowite apostate came as a complete shock to most everyone. Myself included...although I must say, it was a most pleasant shock!
The DA seems to have been surprised by this development as well; the material witness papers drawn up before she came to Luzerne County last weekend seems to imply she'd be uncooperative; and according to Renee, authorities made very half-hearted initial attempts to contact her. Looks like everyone was taken aback on this (except perhaps PC).
The Martins' story was revealed in various comments yesterday, and is quite interesting. I'll try to outline it here; Renee and James, if I make any errors let me know, and I'll correct them ASAP.
The Martins (and the rest of the neighborhood) did not know Harlow and Joe that well prior to the SWAT raid. There was a general knowledge out there that the house was used for male prostitution, but as long as they weren't doing it out in the streets, a live and let live attitude seems to have prevailed. Traffic to and from the house was not out of the ordinary. The Martins' contacts with H&J during this time seemed limited to typical yard work issues, and occasional glimpses of them walking their dog around the cul-de-sac in daisy duke shorts.
Then came the SWAT raid, which woke up the neighborhood in the middle of the night with flash-bang grenades. The Martins (like everyone else in the cul-de-sac, apparently) assumed it was in regards prostitution activities.
Later, a mutual friend of Renee and H&J informed her of the true nature of the raid, and her belief in the innocence of H&J. Renee becomes convinced, and for a time became the point person for H&J legal defense fundraising efforts.
This state of affairs lasted until her participation in an illicit 3-way prison phone conversation with Harlow and Joe. During that conversation, while we do not know exactly what was said (and wont know until the next hearing on July 8-9), we do know she finds out that H&J were far from innocent. And that was her moment of epiphany; according to Renee, she ceased then and there to be a "Harlowite." In effect, she became of like-mind with her husband James, who never did believe in their innocence. According to James, the visitation of "Harlowites" to their home made him physically ill.
I assume she just drifted away from the cause at this point (and both moving away to Fort Worth?).
And after that, they just waited for the PA DA to show up. Both were secretly eager to cooperate, and perhaps would have done so sooner but for disputes over travel expenses.
And that about wraps it up. Not too much more to add, as a lot of details about H&J apparently cannot be revealed until the next hearing on July 8-9. They did, however, weigh in on the competing conspiracy theories out there. And thoroughly debunked both.
Again, as Renee pithily puts it: "Sean and Grant and Robert, who the hells cares about them, they didn't do the murder. Ok Clue, Joe and Halrow in jail for murder, robert sean and grant, FREE." And she does not stop there. According to Renee, what happened at the Vegas dinner with Sean and Grant was irrelevant to this case; and as for Robert Wagner, in what could possibly be the all-time greatest Kocisphere quote ever:
"As for Robert dont know where he was and dont care were he was. I am sure if he was at the murder scene he would be dead and not speaking at all at this point. Look at it this way if there was someone else in the house do you think they would be alive to tell it we are talking about Joe and Harlow here ok."And that's pretty much a wrap on the conspiracy theories. Harlow and Joe murdered Bryan, and NO ONE put them up to it. EEISM&B.
Among H&J few remaining online supporters, a general pall of silence reigns, showing they are in a state of shock too. Elm has said nothing. Jakester has said nothing; indeed, has apparently decided to take on other murder cases (and have a friend fix your credit too!). Preacher George, as is his nature, immediately panicked and deleted every comment he could get his hands on (no word on whether this was the result of Divine Providence or not).
Oh and last and certainly least, Kent Barclay promised us an interview with Renee (and her husband "Joe," LOL!), which seems rather unlikely at this point as Renee publicly told him on this very blog yesterday to "piss off." LOL!
And...I think that covers it! Have I missed anything important? If so, let me know!
Update: Oh yeah, just like yesterday, I am more than happy to have my blog serve as a Q&A forum for the Martins, if they so desire!
Update 2: Just a reminder on a long-standing policy of mine. Which I am going to stick to, as a matter of principle...it has served me well, I think.
Update 3: Yet another enterprise touched by the hand of Kent Barclay ends in ignominious failure. Funny thing about this death-by-association is that it happened three days ago, and no one really noticed or cared about it until now.
Update 4: Wow. Read the comments too...
Update 5: Blake aka "The Jakester" engages in censorship! For those who missed it...you wanna see the comment he deleted? Stay tuned for my next post (tentative title: "Truth, Lies and Blakester"), where it will be re-posted and revealed! In addition to a few other observations of mine, appropriate to the occasion...LOL! Oh, this is gonna be FUN... :-D
Monday, June 2, 2008
The Long Hot Summer
The Harlow and Joe trial(s) are scheduled for September 2, 2008. Which means we have exactly three long, hot summer months of blogging ahead of us. Provided plea deals for both do not come up, of course...bringing our Kocisphere to a merciful and early end.
Expectations of such deals, while they flicker up from time to time, appear to be dimming. In no way due to recalcitrance on the part of Joe or Harlow, mind you. For example, Joe's stated intention to prison informants that he wants to turn Harlow in, and cut a deal...plus motions by Harlow's attorney's to supress statements made to police following his arrest. It is clear that both Harlow and Joe DESPERATELY want any deal they can get at this point, and would grasp at any crumb the DA would throw them right now.
Problem is, the prosecution seems unwilling to throw such a crumb. Apparantly, they have such an airtight case they don't see any advantage in such an offer. A death penalty conviction would be nice resume addition for the DA's working on this case, and this seems to be what they are gunning for. And who can blame them?
So, looks to me like we got ourselves a trial.
That being the case, I'm am going to pace myself a bit here on this blog. Up until now, I have had a lot to say (as is my nature, as I am sure all of you know, LOL!) and I have been churning out posts here at a rate of 2-3 a week. Well, I'm going to slow that down a bit, to about a post a week. I actually am worried about running out of things to say here, during what may well be a somewhat uneventful 3-month wait until trial.
See also The Sword's recent needling on this subject ("...However, a whole cottage industry of blogs has sprouted in the wake of the murders, each more eager than the next to discuss the non-news of the day..."). They have a point, I suppose.
A post a week for three months should be enough time I think to complete my Musings, attend to a couple other important matters (ie, my thoughts on the Sons of Sam blog, recently exposed as a pro-Harlow "black-ops blog," masquerading as an absurd and bloodthirsty anti-Harlow blog), and opine when something relatively eventful does actually occur during this period (such as the bombshell "whos who" of Harlow-connected personalities PC has been publishing as of late).Look for my next post next Monday or so. And on or about Mondays following that. Comments will still be checked and approved at the usual speedy rate here, however, so please feel free to contribute and discuss as before. Thanks!
Update: Um...where to begin....
Oh hell, just read PC's latest post, and the comments there and here. I'm off to bed!
Update 2: New Times Leader story on the Renee witness situation.
Update 3: Occuring LIVE! Right now in the comments...the exclusive Chinchilla interview with Renee Martin! :-) Which feels a bit odd, as I've never done a worldwide exclusive interview before...in fact I've never wanted to do one, either...oh well lets wing it here...
Update 4: "Renee said...Jim, Hey i hear kent is wanting an exclusive interview would you please convey to him to piss off." Duly conveyed, with pleasure!!!!!
Update 5: OK gang, I have to get back to the real world now for a spell (not to mention dropping off my soiled jammies at the dry cleaners)...and since I'm approaching 200 comments anyways, I'll shut this thread down.
I'll be back with a new topic to post under for us all (Will The Last H&J Supporter Please Turn Out The Lights...). In the meantime, the party moves to PC and BB's and SoS and anywhere else it might end up at. Ta for now! :-)
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