Wednesday, November 7, 2007

Would You Spend a Year in Jail for Harlow and Joe?

A Class 1 Misdemeanor in Virginia is the most severe class of misdemeanor on the books in that state; just one grade below a Felony.

The penalty in Virginia for a Class 1 Misdemeanor is jail for up to 12 months, and a fine up to $2500.

Now, what would you think of a so-called friend who asked you to do something for him, that might cause you to spend a year in jail, and pay a $2500 fine?

Now, I don't know about you, but I would NOT think much of this so-called "friend" after he tried to pressure me into this sort of uncomfortable situation. IN FACT, if this situation were to ever happen to ME, my first inclination would be to terminate this friendship, for a period of time equal to "forever, plus one day."

Yet, according to the latest news, this is precisely what Harlow and Joe began asking of certain friends and aquantances, apparantly, just after they murdered Bryan Kocis. To LIE to police for them, and give them a false alibi as to their whereabouts.

"Any person who knowingly and willfully makes any materially false statement or representation to a law-enforcement officer who is in the course of conducting an investigation of a crime by another is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor."

We know Harlow and Joe were in Luzerne County on January 24th; we know this from wireless emails, cell phone towers, motel logs, credit cards and Joe's own jailhouse interview. To explain all this evidence away, they now say they were on an innocent "camping trip" (LOL!) to the coal mining region of northeastern Pennslyvania. In the dead of winter. Uh...yeah.

HOWEVER, before that mountain of evidence trapped them in Luzerne County, they had tried to claim Harlow was with a "client" that day. Apparantly, they had made several attempts to find such a "client" willing to sling such bullcrap at the police. A client willing to commit a Class 1 Misdemeanor for them.

You know, I would not be surprised if Harlow and Joe DID INDEED manage to find such a sap. Some of the sycophants posting over on Harlow blog do seem that deranged, no doubt about it.

Is that poor sap now facing jail time in Virginia, I wonder?

You know, it's one thing to ask for donations from friends to help one out when facing prosecution. It is quite another thing, however, to ask your friends to COMMIT A CRIME and risk INCARCERATION to help you out. THAT is a whole new level of depravity, IMO...the kind of moral bankruptcy you would expect to see in serious felons and murderers.

Humbly, as always, at your service...jim

37 comments:

Geoff Harvard said...

I suppose the grifters had numerous former clients they could approach to provide a false alibi. Apparently all they could get was volunteers to run the jail blogs and chinchilla auctions.

Rob said...

Geoff--

You forgot to mention advice against traveling to San Diego because the trip seemed too much like a set up when that person wasn't ducking from the Black Helicopters.

Anonymous said...

I think I know who it is that at least Harlow may have asked, a quite enamored, no overly enamored admirer. I could be wrong but don't think so.
"Nep"

Anonymous said...

Gets even weirder, Nep was a client who works in a fast food restaurant.
Of course not knocking his work but at min. wage how the hell do you afford Harlow?

Anonymous said...

I once ran across a site that was specifically for rating escorts and their performance in several different areas of their expertise.
IMO it was so bizarre, Harlow and Joe were rated. This was a serious site for prospective buyers to know what they were getting.
Harlow and Joe were on the list, clients rated them and they got very detailed, they were asked what they [the client looked like, appearance etc.] I remember one client of Joe's saying something like "well, I am in my sixties, overweight etc." "I wanted Joe to sit on me [dick], he stayed hard and had no problem" or another one stating that he was not exactly Adonis and "Harlow came 3 times within an hour"
I know this is not really on topic but the post got me thinking about it. I do not remember the site, but it was while I was googling everything to do with Norfolk Companions. Many thoughts went through my head over that site. One being if you are totally not attracted to someone how do you get off 3 times- drugs maybe? and another thought, these boys are not in their right minds.

quickysrt said...

I think that when you get to court (of course you are expected to appear) and testify that you were being done good and hard by Harlow that night (at the family home) in question, it is called purjury.

And for purjury you do far more than a year in jail. You get 5 years easy.

Rob said...

Other charges such as aiding and abetting fugitives from justice, interference with official acts, giving/making a false report to police, and if in an affidavit--1st testimony under oath and implying perjury penalties, followed by a deposition--a 2nd statement under oath, followed by trial testimony under oath and the statements are known to be lies, perjury penalties apply and will be enforced by the court.

Needless to say, trying to gunnysack Lady Justice is not a good idea.

Geoff Harvard said...

Rob, I haven't been around since the beginning, but it sounds Mysterious.

V.J., those pros rating sites are all fake, as are the pros touting sites. Either a Murphy game or the vice cops trolling.

Rob said...

Geoff--

Yes and ranting too.

jim said...

BTW, a brief programming note:

I would like to keep all mention of a certain internet persona off this blog.

ALL mention. Be it good or bad. Directly, or even just in passing.

Consider this my blog rule #3.

Thank you for your understanding!

partiallyhydrogenatedoil said...

does that mean no linky too? lol j/k completely understand :-)

Albert said...

I need some more details about this 'year in Jail for Harlow.' Let's just say hypothetically I was interested. How long do I get to keep him? Does his car or any property come with the deal? Am I required to feed him? Would it be proper to assume I could do whatever I wanted to with him as long as I don't scare the local farm animals and children? Am I required to share any profits I make off of this deal? I'm just asking if,...
Anyway, just got around to finally reading your blog and all the comments today. D has been trying to get me over here. I was just hesitant about starting to keep up with yet another blog on this subject. Seems like a nice place. :)

Anonymous said...

geoff harvard,
Thank you, that makes sense.
As for the person[s] who were asked to give alibi's, IMO they will not do it. I believe they will say they were asked but it will stop there. Harlow and Joe will have gotten caught once again.
I know we have been over this alot but I can't help but feel over and over again that if Harlow never met Joe he may never had violent actions planted in his head - ever. Although the fate is the same for both [if convicted, I am not sure it is fair].

jim said...

Albert, you prize for going to jail a year to lie for Harlow and Joe would be:

1) a free 1 month suscription to Boybatter;

2) An autographed picture of Joe, holding up a cue card with your name written on it, ie: "Hi Albert! :-)";

3) An IPOD of 200 never seen before baby pictures of Harlow;

4) A Free Harlow baseball cap and t-shirt (with "Harlow" being striken out, and you name inserted, with a Magic Marker); and

5) A very nice reversable leather/rabbitskin jacket.

Anonymous said...

"blog rule number 3"
Highly understandable.

quickysrt said...

V.J. said...
I know we have been over this alot but I can't help but feel over and over again that if Harlow never met Joe he may never had violent actions planted in his head - ever. Although the fate is the same for both [if convicted, I am not sure it is fair].
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Harlow has been made out the good guy, the truly sweet person, and Joe as the hardened influence, bad apple whatever.

But when I see pictures of Harlow either on the old version of his site, or blog, and video of his very first court appearance, etc. I see a dark person there. Scary a little even. The pictures of him with middle finger (there are several), or him with head turned down but eyes up in an evil pose, or his mug shot, I also see a darkness. The mug shot looks like someone who has seen their fate flash before their eyes and knows what it looks like.

Anyway, I don't see a puppy dog innocence that makes me favor the idea of Harlow being a sweet young thing that was a little dumb while being dragged into something he did not plan and knew little about. I see a less innocent image.

Of course that is just the image I got, and not any more valid of an opinion than any other at this point.

jim said...

I tend to agree with Quicky. It is tempting to portray Harlow as all good, all mislead, and Joe as all-evil, all corrupting...but the facts of the matter are:

1) Harlow on the beach tapes: "He went quick." "It felt like revenge."

2) Harlow being the one to nonchalantly phone Brent about the murder.

3) And lets not forget "Harlow Meets Drake." For him to have the sheer audacity to film a porno mocking the murder is simply beyond the pale.

And on the subject of that video...I STILL cannot believe there were people back then who supported and promoted this montrousity. Those people need to hang their heads in shame right now. You know who you are.

Anyways, back to Harlow...I am willing to cut Harlow SOME slack and assign him somewhat less blame for all this than Joe...but ONLY somewhat.

Howard said...

Jim I choose to break my one month silence on your Blog. You sir have been the sweet voice of reason the many months since January 24.

I would add about Harlow I do believe now that he is equally guilty of the crime of murder.

I agree with you Jim the coldness of his call to Sean "Sean we killed your ex-boss you happy?"
was craven!

Harlow's statement on the recordings
You notice Harlow said "It almost felt like revenge"
An Honest man would have said "It felt like revenge"

Yes I agree I always felt the Drake video was Cold and Callous even for porn.

I believe the D.A. should withdraw his plea deal and prosecute both to the limit, the evidence is overwhelming to any sane man or women.

I may surprise you for my antipathy to Kocis is well known but I want Joe & Harlow to pay for letting Kocis beat the only Justice good enough for that evil man.

Life in Prison being Taken Like A Cobra Boy for the rest of his unnatural life.

Joe and Harlow deserve no less for perversion of Justice.

Harlow is a thief and a con man,a whore, and now a killer just like Joe.

Killers

This is why Joe and Harlow must be convicted

not because Bryan was a monster

not because Sean is a porn model or onetime escort

Or Grant is a pornographer

Or Robert/Aaron was Bryans right hand/stand up guy in a criminal enterprise

The witnesses serve only to condemn with their testimony.

Any one witness might be discredited but together they all have a common story

Lets review

They bought a "throw away" cell

They used a Danny Molina email and a Sprint Wireless card in a half-assed attempt to conceal contact with the victim.

They bought a knife and gun despite owning several.

They rented an SUV (owning several cars)

They drive to Pennsylvania in the dead of winter and check into a motel in Dallas PA, use the throw a way cell in Dallas,only use it with Bryan,and use it again at their house in Virginia Beach.

Harlow admits to theft of computers,Rolexes and cameras. his on air confession is backed by his call to Sean confessing "I guess our guy went to far"
then going on a web site 4 days after Bryan is murdered to ask how to operate Bryans Sony.

Now we learn Joe and Harlow tried to get their clients and friends to lie for them to provide Alibis

Only the Guilty need a fake Alibi

I save the most important witness for last.

Joe says Harlow was in Bryans house.

The scene of bloody murder
of a dead body on a couch
slashed in a surgical strike stabbed 28 times
a house on fire

Why Joe?

Joe betrayed Harlow he set him up.
His Boy Friend, his lover of 7 years!

Joe a low life scum,liposuctioned man whore,murderous ragester stabbed and betrayed the closest man in his life.

With callous,spineless,yellow bellied indifference.

I am morally opposed to the death penalty but in just this one case, I would love to see this jellyfish Nelli a "Baby Blue" washout on that table. He would truly be a crying blubbering coward deserving the contempt of all.

Anyone at this point who believes Joe and Harlow innocent is an idiot and /or supporter of murdering con men!

The Conspiracy theory has been sliced to ribbons by Occam's Razor into a fine piece of Origami.

A fragile grotesque chimera a web of half truths, wishful thinking and delusional fantasy

In a courtroom, a real courtroom Elm and Jakesters convoluted & multi folded Origami will be wadded up at Trial and tossed where it belongs

The wastepaper basket.

Anonymous said...

quicksyrt & jim,
You both have good points.
IMO, the middle finger and the evil looks may be a "I am a big bad porn star" thing - I could be wrong, but there IS someting in that mugshot like "I have been caught", you are right.
With regards to the tape "He went quick", there is not a lot to be misinterpreted there. We have not heard the tapes, if it was said - like that. That is evil.

Rob said...

Howard--

Excellent work! You have about the single, best take on the entire situation.

Does this mean you own and operate a black helicopter?

elmysterio said...

Howard that was a great comment and I for one applaud you for it. I have just one problem with it and that is that you seem to think that I have a issue with the evidence at hand.

What I have an issue with is the fact that we do not have all of the evidence yet several of the people who are reading these blogs and commentting on them seem to think that it all adds up to they did it.

I have said all along that the courts should decide their guilt and not us. If this all is true then they should face their fate but I have not been convinced of they're guilt yet.

You all have good arguments for their guilt but it does not prove it to me. There seems to be something missing in all of this evidence that just does not make it jell for me.

There are certain things that have not yet been proven and if they are I have not seen the evidence of it.

The ownership of the cameras is just one thing.

The pictures of Harlow "looking evil" that just makes me laugh.

Harlow flipping the "bird" well that is just as funny as the other comment.

The mug shot picture. Well here is a little background about that one. They were kept up for 48 hours straight before they were even booked for this murder and then they took the pictures. You tell me how happy you would look in that situation.

So the imagery that you claim is so cundusive to there guilt is just a bit skewed.

As far as the people who they are supposed to have asked to lie about their whereabouts on the date of the murder, well I have not seen any proof of such a claim.

As far as I know the only
person(s) who claimed that Harlow had a alibi were he and Joe/Mark.

I for one do have faith in the justice system and hope it works in this case.

As far as the death penalty goes I am against it and always have been. If you kill someone be it in war or justice or a fit of rage it is still murder. That is just my opinion I don't agree with killing someone under any circustances even self defense.

Does it have to be done? Yes but it is still murder.

Anonymous said...

I know I am close to being alone on this but-
Joe we know [IMO]- total monster, it may be the way Harlow looks to a certain degree. I want to see the facts about Harlows involvement. I mean think about this, anyone of us over 30 yrs. of age has seen/experienced our share of really, really strange experiences. Psycho boyfriends, raging boyfriends, people with disorders, etc. and Joe fits the bill [IMO] on all counts. But 2 in the relationship being equally and murderously psycho. Let's say Joe is giving Harlow the idea for making big money by getting rid of Bryan Kocics or vice versa, wouldn't one of them most likely say something like "hey honey, I am not saying that is a bad idea, you know I love you BUT-"
That is the part I don't understand as we have not seen previous rage with Harlow, we really haven't.

jim said...

Elm, the problem with this "we don't have all the evidence" notion is, that we probably have all of the important evidence.

It seems highly unlikely that Harlow and Joe have some sort of super duper get-out-of-jail-free card evidence up their sleeve, such that once revealed will negate all the evidence against them in one fell swoop.

Why is it highly unlikely? Because if they had it, do you not think they would have revealed it to the prosecutors by now? And so WOWed them into simply dropping charges?

I mean, they are sleeping every night in the same room with their toilet. If I were them, I'd use my dyn-o-mite super unrevealed evidence to get out NOW, rather than endure a stinky jail cell until March.

>>> ab said...

in the course of events more and more evidences occurred for h&j´s involvement. not a single one to cause any doubt of their guilt.

while i initially coldnt believe that they were thats stupid to kill it turned out hey were and leaving such a trail of evidences.

just the affidavit seems to me enough to remove any doubt and we will probably see much more evidences in a trial.

h&j claim their innocence by constructing stories around the proven facts or by incriminating each other.

but we learned over time, that more or less everything said turned out as lies.

the beach tapes are another story. incriminating yourself for a crime can have legal consequences. they have to deal with that. its not like exaggerating the price of every gadget they ever bought.


i have to agree with quickie too. i don´t believe joe is the bad guy and harlow the innocent victim.

maybe we learn more about the real story in a trial but i doubt it.

we just can observe here like delusions of grandeur leads to a murder.

Rob said...

Jim--

Regarding your last comment. Don't you see, being arrested for capital murder greatly cut down on Harlow and Joe's tom cat bordello overhead. Geez Louise! $1 million in debt, one must cut corners somehow. Lose your house and the mortgage and get two rooms each with a sink and toilet, one must be truly honest about what gets, that's about as good as it gets in cutting those costly corners. The sex trade just has a high markup. Must keep the perspective.

quickysrt said...

While the photos I've seen of Harlow reveal a dark side imo, the "starfish on hand" picture shows a boyish gentle side that looks appealing. Like you would want to go on vacation with this guy right! The boyish gentle soft touch, but solid rock f'ing hard in other ways, now that's marketing for you. There are not many pictures I have seen where I thought Harlow did not look dark and dangerous. Ok, I know dangerous is what some would find very attractive.

I don't think Harlow was a really good looking guy either. But if his acting was good enough, I can see how the package could have been put together to create a fantasy of gentle boyishness, both dumb, and rock hard, ready to go!!!

quickysrt said...

Sean called Harlow "infatuated" with him in a blog posting. One of the very few mentions of this "person" by Sean since the arrests.

And in the photo of them two on Black's Beach on a blanket, Harlow's expression says he has finally nabbed his prized trophy.

There is quite a story here in pictures and video, plus the writings of the duo. Anyone recall the story Harlow told - about where he was after the Vegas lamb dinner? What he was doing and with whom? It says a lot about Harlow. Great reading material.

quickysrt said...

elmysterio said...
Howard that was a great comment and I for one applaud you for it. I have just one problem with it and that is that you seem to think that I have a issue with the evidence at hand.

What I have an issue with is the fact that we do not have all of the evidence yet several of the people who are reading these blogs and commentting on them seem to think that it all adds up to they did it.
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Ok, Elm, what to you does it add up to so far? Yes, we have added it up, and my god it is devastating. I feel for anyone in Harlow's position. Like being depressed because you got fired, then your car got repo'd, and then you got evicted...times that by a million, and you kind of have an idea. We are talking about the remainder of Harlow's days on planet earth and not just a bad year like we all have had, or will have.

What evidence we have so far does indeed add up to "they did it". You add up the evidence, tally it up! And tell us what else you think it adds up to? We would like to know what else it could add up to.

I feel sorry for people like you because they are going to suffer a lot of pain when the jury reaches their verdict. Or Harlow pleads out early. That numbing feeling of having one last shred of hope ripped from your stomach. But you won't feel as bad as Harlow and Joe will that is one thing we can ALL agree on.

Unknown said...

Jim,

could you remove the link to my blog from your site please.

Thanks

Jakester

jim said...

Why on earth would I want to do that?

I believe in the free flow of information and ideas. Even those I do not necessarily agree with.

So, I put up a list of links to all sites in the Kocisphere, to enable all views to circulate.

(Well ok, there is one exception...but he is excluded not for his content, for his past acts of bad behavior on other blogs....which I do not want spreading to mine.)

If I arbitrarily cut out one, it would give out the false impression that I was trying to supress an alternate view, no?

I do not want that impression to get out. I am fearless of all points of view.

quickysrt said...

V.J. said...
I know I am close to being alone on this but-
Joe we know [IMO]- total monster, it may be the way Harlow looks to a certain degree. I want to see the facts about Harlows involvement. I mean think about this, anyone of us over 30 yrs. of age has seen/experienced our share of really, really strange experiences. Psycho boyfriends, raging boyfriends, people with disorders, etc. and Joe fits the bill [IMO] on all counts. But 2 in the relationship being equally and murderously psycho. Let's say Joe is giving Harlow the idea for making big money by getting rid of Bryan Kocics or vice versa, wouldn't one of them most likely say something like "hey honey, I am not saying that is a bad idea, you know I love you BUT-"
That is the part I don't understand as we have not seen previous rage with Harlow, we really haven't.
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Ok, sorry to quote the entire post, but it does make good sense. Harlow acting out evil and mean, sexy, and wholesome images, it all looks like a marketing package and nothing more. We have not seen anything to suggest Harlow has any violent type of rage, or harmful violent behavior.

I easily could see Harlow setting up a meeting with JK with the intent of working with Brent, and wanting to keep his idenity/age secret. Just checking out the place, getting a closer look at how bad Brent might be locked into this company by going there and seeing for himself. Ok, he arrives, and finds he has been set up to be there at the right time as to be the fall guy in the event someone has to fall. Poor Harlow walked right into this perfectly set trap. He is frightened, and tells Joe about that fire and what looked like a dead or sleeping guy. Or he stayed back at the hotel while Joe went over to teach Brian a lesson in contract negotiations, and never knew what happened until he read about it online, and realized his guy went way way overboard in his lessons.

At some point, if Harlow has any brains, he has to suspect Joe knows a little more about all this.

Now flash forward many months, H/J are arrested. Harlow mostly says "we" are innocent over and over again. More recently he has said "I" am innocent if I have my facts at all straight.

I just think that if Harlow was indeed innocent, regardless of Joe's involvement, he would never had said "we" are innocent, but would have said "I" am innocent right from the start.

Remember Harlow stated on his blog "I know it looks bad" and that he is going to "tell the truth at trial" and let the jury decide.

All this points to Harlow's involvement, but not him being the knife wielding psycho, but still very involved. If he had nothing to do with any of it other than wanting a meeting, so that he could learn trade secrets, he'd have said I am innocent right from the start rather than trying to cover both his and Joe's tracks.

I think Harlow knows all about it, is guilty as Joe is for going along with everything including a messy or botched cover-up. But mainly he was simply pretty dumb. Joe made a remark on his blog about Harlow being a little slow, a little slow on returning an ass slap one morning. I thought it was telling. It showed to me that Joe was the fast mover and thinker, and Harlow was, well a little slower.

With a lot of money, like a half million, Harlow could get off a bit easier than Joe. But as it stands now, without a plea deal, I don't see how any jury is going to get into the violent or rage type issues concerning why one might be more prone than the other. It will come down to the evidence, and if it is all just "trumped up charges" or not.

Anonymous said...

quickysrt,
What you wrote is how I feel. I would just add that I could see Harlow saying "we" are innocent and not "I" am innocent if it was a "I am standing by my man" kind of "slow thinking" move.
Really, isn't it possible as you said [and I believe] that Harlow did set up the meeting and all the other things [evidence against him] that went with it - never thinking that Joe would kill Bryan Kocis - sever his head almost completely off, stab him 28 times. I believe they were contemplating the BEST way to make TONS of money, yes manipulate, maybe steal. I believe the meeting was set up for all that and more, but murder- I am not sure of that at all. I do not believe the idea of murdering Bryan Kocis was sit down dinner conversation in the Kerekes/Cuadra home. I believe it happened when it happened and it was heat of the moment, premeditated by Joe maybe. Harlow could have been set up by Joe.

quickysrt said...

V.J. except for the Vegas dinner.

Harlow could say he was not aware of what "going to Canada" meant.

But we know he was at the house that night, he said so on the tape. It's now Joe who needs to be placed there with certainty.

It will be interesting to see, and find out of Joe's attorneys will railroad Harlow right into that house while claiming their client Joe stayed back at the ranch.

There are not alot of options for either of them.

I do keep in mind that while I write about this stuff with a level of entertainment, and distance, there are two families here that have had their hearts torn out, or will have before the hammer falls.

Unknown said...

Maybe, just maybe, I dont want anything of mine associated with you.

jim said...

Maybe, but I don't see how that motivates me to delink a blog.

I mean, I hate to be blunt here, but what you are doing here is a massively pretentious: You are telling another blog owner (and one who has been a participant in this debate far longer than a johnny-come-lately such as yourself, I might add) how to run his own blog.

And in my world view, if you are going to have the effrontery to make such a request, you better have a damn good reason to back it up.

You don't.

Anonymous said...

quickysrt,
I agree with you 100%. My heart goes out to all of the families involved in this.

Rob said...

Jim--

"Jakester said...
Maybe, just maybe, I dont want anything of mine associated with you @ November 11, 2007 3:26 PM."

Well Jim, it would appear your consistent logic, and that of others has caused our St. Petersburg, FL/La Jolla, CA blogger to retreat. Odd how when they are caught in their own spun webs of facts that don't hold up to evidence unearthed to-date; they want to take their toys and go home.

I agree with the evidence trail laid out in the court filings, and more to come. The evidence clearly shows that Harlow and Joe put together a strong arming and blackmailing scheme against Kocis to obtain Sean Lockhart's services as a model and escort for their own troubled business venture. Ultimately, the motive is a financial one. I am not entirely certain about the exact nature of Robert Wagner's involvement in this. I am sure some of that will be resolved as more motions are filed and the Prosecution strategy becomes clearer.

At any rate, keep up the heat. I like your style.