But only here! :-)Just two brief observations:
1) "I didn't think he would be good, he was muscular and older,.." when describing 26 y/o Harlow's 'Cobra Boy' credentials... yeah... mmmm, ok...
2) On the settlement, reached that same Vegas weekend Harlow and Joe invited Sean and Grant to dinner: "Everyone was happy with the new arrangement, he said. “The weight of the world had been lifted off (their) shoulders,” Wagner said."
Update: More myths shattered...this time on BOTH sides:
To which I say "Halleluja!" And "Quicky, please marry me!"
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Robert Wagner didn't exactly fit the bill, either, did he?
Jim what news site posted this I have been round robbing them.
Sorry I found it damn need to hit refresh more often ;)
now now Geoff he did for 15 microseconds in 2003 (Meow)
It would be amusing if the one time RW is inarguably "relevant" nobody has anything to say. Although it's still early, I shouldn't count my chickens.:)
Yeah. :-)
All right, I'll start the ball rolling. Yes, as you point out Jim, RW ironically enough undercuts the entire BB line of argument that Grant and Sean had any reason whatsoever to want Bryan dead at the time of the murder. No, "everyone was happy" with the way things turned out and they were going to get on with their lives.
You would think that if Grant and Sean had "solicited" the murder at Le Cirque, that they would have put in a call to their two hitmen to call things off at that point, would you not?
"You would think that if Grant and Sean had "solicited" the murder at Le Cirque, that they would have put in a call to their two hitmen to call things off at that point, would you not?"
That's a good point.
Dewayne, somewhere there is a niche for crossed eyes, coke bottle glasses, and weak chins. Don't forget his sizzling "It's hot out there. Yes, ridiculously hot." scene with Connor Ashton.
"Yes, as you point out Jim, RW ironically enough undercuts the entire BB line of argument that Grant and Sean had any reason whatsoever to want Bryan dead at the time of the murder. No, "everyone was happy" with the way things turned out and they were going to get on with their lives."
I get the impression that RW sincerely wants Harlow put away more than he wants to score points against Sean and Grant.
Whatever else one says about RW, that is commendable in my book.
Jim, there is nothing commendable about RW pursuing his narrow self-interest, except that it may coincide with justice. He wants to fulfill his fiduciary role to the Kocis family and as far as possible conceal his role as a panderer of underaged boys.
jim said...
I get the impression that RW sincerely wants Harlow put away more than he wants to score points against Sean and Grant.
Whatever else one says about RW, that is commendable in my book.
yeah commendable Jim and also understandable.
Since RW now has more to fear from Sean and Grant it would behoove him to play nice.
And THEY may fall for it.(I doubt it)
Suffice it to say I am not going to march to that tune.
Funny I recall Wagner was booted to the curb in Vegas and there was a point that the settlement went downhill in Vegas as per Cad's email from Bryan.
Things were not settled until San Diego and they were strained at best. Then you have Bryan and Lee conspiring to undermine the whole thing with their seperate deal.
Wagner's view of what was is with regards to the settlement distictly clouded as far as I am concerned. There are far to many other versions of what actually happend.
Zane aka Jamison Harper's long testimony of what was going on is in direct opposition to what Wagner says and it is also backed up with what Cad says that Bryan told him.
Wagners testimony about how old Harlow looks and how muscular he is goes directly to the fact that Bryan wanted little boys to work for Cobra Video.
Based on what Sean looked like when he worked for Cobra Video I think Robert might have just put himself in prison. oops.
That's true, I vaguely recall those Cad posts.
But then again, Cad had his own agenda too I'll bet.
I can't get over how hideous Robert Wagner is. That Connor Ashton kid should have won some kind of fear factor prize.
Somewhere in the Cobra catalog, is there a scene between Chris "Serpenthead" Hernandez and Robert "Bioboi" Wagner? If so, it would be an instant cult classic, sort of like Rodan v. Godzilla.
"Jake Landaus" appeared in exactly one scene in one film in his entire porn career; who he was filmed with I have no idea, but "Aaron Phelps" is not listed amongst his castmates:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1845470/
See, you can't find "Aaron Phelps" on imdb, can you?
I dunno, I haven't tried...
No, can't seem to find him. Shrug.
Watch those personal attack vs fellow posters please.
I am sorry jim,
I believe it was my comment you were referring to.
jim, I respect you- alot, always have - may I ask a question off topic?
No hostility felt or implied-
Why do you protect him?
I like to think I protect all contributors here equally from the ad hominum form of argument...I slip up from time to time I suppose, become lax...but I try.
I know you try- and you do a great job!
You have [and have had] a lot of patience with bloggers [myself included]
It is this one case I don't understand because he has put everything he has into trying to destroy [at least] 2 peoples lives.
Everything-
Unfortunately for him-his everything is really not much at all.
Thank you for listening! :)
and will abide by the rules! :)
RW dose not look at all attractive. I use to like him in the Cobra films. His glasses are way too dominate on for his face. i suggest contacts... and trim that hair.
V. J., since Robert Wagner is allegedly not a contributor here, just call whomever you are attacking Robert Wagner, and it will be fine. Robert Wagner is too hideous to appear in cheesy Cobra little boy porn. Connor Ashton should have thrown up rather than have sodomy with him. He has crossed eyes, coke bottle glasses, and a weak chin. He is a miserable actor. His work is ignored by imdb. There is nothing commendable about his pursuit of narrow self interest in his testimony. According to Elm, he is a perjuror.
Oh, and, Bio Boy, nice zit.
I am still forming an opinion.
A key point was not addressed, at least, in the newpapers' accounts of Wagner's testimony. Specifically, who stripped Danny Moilin's photo out of the email to Sean? Kocis wouldn't gain much from doing so. Wagner would.
I do believe in the defense's turn at bat that Wagner will be called.
And yes Will because the State called Wagner he is "relevant."
It could be because that email to Sean never had a photo attached in the first place.
I bet if the issue were raised at trial, that's the answer that would emerge.
To say an email is sent MINUS an image is saying that an image was attached in the first place.
As said email was sent to Sean, I am left to assume this claim originated with Sean.
Now we do not know contents of said email, so how the heck would anyone know if it had an image attached and then removed?
It is claims like this that cause me to say its smoke, mirrors and BS.
To which I say "Halleluja!" And "Quicky, please marry me!"
Do you REALLY think this well end what people have been claiming about RW?
Hardly, they will turn and twist it somehow. They already started doing so. Amazing really. Even more, very sad.
By the way, what's that with "King of Prussia", sounds competely pompous and strange to me, or does it stand for something?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Prussia,_Pennsylvania
"King of Prussia" is a town in Pennsylvania. Most of Pennsylvania's colonial settlers were Germans.
"Do you REALLY think this well end what people have been claiming about RW?
Hardly, they will turn and twist it somehow."
What people do when presented with truth is beyond my control, yes. I noticed the phenominon of which you speak over a year ago, when I first pointed out the Harlow Apology.
Still, truth is truth, and when it manifests itself so irrefutable like this...it's glorious!
Bryan Kocis was relying for his livelihood on a business that required him constantly to reach out to new people and convince them to do stuff that most people would not consider doing. How is this compatible with not answering the door and keeping five loaded pistols salted around the house? I don't doubt that this is factual, but Kocis must have had some specific concern, must have altered his lifestyle to meet a specific threat.
Will, I prefer not to use my blog to publicize that fact. As to your question though, if you look carefully at the source code, you'll see that it eminates from a certain magazine owned by the same company.
My curiosity has the best of me.
I would be wiling to pay to find out who this "bb" is.
"I bet if the issue were raised at trial, that's the answer that would emerge."
That this point was not raised on Direct by the State indicates an issue; however, we have yet to hear Sean's Direct testimony where this issue might be raised by the State since Sean was this particular email's receipient. Frankly, if Sean lied about the contents of the Danny Moilin email, his credibility with the authorities would not be very high; my meaning being the straw man argument falls into a pile at the proposer's feet.
Thank you for pointing out that Wagner is sophisticated enough to use another to blog. Whether Wagner uses BB or someone else, the persona is backing Wagner's position. Now, here is a real quandry Wagner claims he vetted no models. Yet, Wagner is sharing his opinion of Harlow/Danny's physical appearance of this model. Eerily reminscient of Chris' cam intro of the sleeping Sean in which at some point the awake Sean was scrutinized by Wagner, an MO of Kocis. Kocis' "best friend" was known to engage in 3-somes with King Cobra. So even in the benign, there are quandries. Grant made a claim. His fact history and veracity are confirmed by the BBT's and CCT's.
I am with Geoff. Why does a gentle recluse, Wagner's description of Kocis from the witness stand, need 5 handguns stashed about the house? He fears nude teen and early 20 year old male models? What these guys concealing blackjacks and brass knuckles in their lube?
"That this point was not raised on Direct by the State indicates an issue;..."
To me, the fact that it was raised neither by prosecution nor defense indicates the utter absence of an issue, actually.
An issue that does not exist cannot be raised, after all.
Rob, Wagner's position, which you accuse BB of championing, is that Sean and Grant had NOTHING to do with the murder. Go read Quicksrt's post on PC's, he asked Wagner directly. It's now time for you to stop ascribing views to Wagner that he says he does not hold.
"Whether Wagner uses BB or someone else, the persona is backing Wagner's position."
Like this one, for example?:
"Think Sean and Grant had anything to do with it? He just shook his head no."
"Now, here is a real quandry [the supposed front man for] Wagner claims he vetted no models."
Well now, that's a good point, I suppose. By RW's own tesimony, he clearly did vet a model here.
And he testifies under oath that he vetted a "nay" opinion. Those hideous post-pubescent muscles on Harlow, and what not, were his undoing.
Amen Will!
http://www.timesleader.com/news/Day_four_of_Cuadra_trial_.html
Will--
Since you brought it up, in the same place at PC's Grant posted and called BB's statements "LIES, LIES, LIES . . . ."
Like I said, Sean was the receipient of the email with the stripped out photo. He hasn't been called yet. I want to read Sean's testimony because well BB told us awhile back that Wagner wasn't in London. Wagner was.
There is another issue. Wagner was in Pennsylvania for a week. On the stand he testified to only the weekend.
Again, Grant's comment on PC's blog states LIES, his characterization. Both of you, Will and Jim, have pointed out inconsistencies in his remarks yourself and that has been since 2007 forward.
Wagner faces a problem. He vouched for Sean's legal age on the 2257 form Kocis thrust in his face with questioned documents. This was brought up before the federal judge in the civil case. Bryan clearly implicated Wagner. Interesting that he skirted the age issue. Wagner states that Cobra films featuring underage Sean were collected and destroyed despite evidence in the form of King Cobra's own emails telling distributors to hang onto the contrband film and during one court proceeding on the civil suit, the Defense lawyer informing Al Flora that underage video of Sean was still available and Flora turning to Kocis and telling him that the video would be down within 24 hours. It is those kind of quandries that lead me to doubt Wagner's veracity. He can come across as a gentle nerd. That does not mask nefarious plans, for example, Bernie Maddoff appears benign as well. Maddoff swindled millions of dollars from the unsuspecting.
No guys. I am not impressed with the act for Quicky and others. That is public demeanor. In BB's words, "smoke, mirrors, and bullshit."
We have yet to hear from Grant and Sean.
"Olszewski cautioned Lockhart that he may have "incriminated himself criminally" by admitting under oath he provided a false identification and was performing in adult films while a minor."
I guess the best way to incriminate oneself is criminally. Gee, I bet the FBI swoops in and arrests Sean for mail fraud for sending Creepy Kocis the MacArthur Park Cali DL that Serpenthead Hernandez showed him how to get. He wrote about that, what, three years ago. PPO has to do this for the record, I guess, but if I'm a juror, I'm annoyed by the constant movement in and out of the courtroom.
"I guess the best way to incriminate oneself is criminally."
Yeah, that is a redundancy.
Jim--
You are a Hell of a lot smarter than this. Wagner is in public. He is presenting an image of Kocis and himself as business people, albeit porn business. He is "acting" as much for authorities as anyone else. Wagner has told many people many things. The question is whether his version is verifiable not how well he performs off the stand for a mere stranger such as Quicky.
Did Wagner vett in the ordinary meaning of the word? He gave Kocis his opinion. Wagner's testimony avoided the word. What is more telling here is that Kocis overruled Wagner's opinion. He also avoided addressing the questioned email to Sean as raised by Dewayne.
You questioned the fliers and the police agencies who picked those up until Grant told you just recently who investigated that incident. I wouldn't be too hasty with Wagner who had to return from London for this trial. You were one who was calling Wagner irrelevant and probably not going to testify. That he did testify makes him relevant.
I didn't say RW wasn't going to testify. I said that he was "overrated" as a witness, as to what impact he would have on the outcome of the case.
Get a load of Wagner on the WNEP footage and that Jack Benny walk. He is a real swish.
Noted Jim.
I would rather concentrate on why Wagner persists in the attempt to undermine Sean and Grant's credibility. That is more productive.
"I want to read Sean's testimony because well BB told us awhile back that Wagner wasn't in London. Wagner was."
Rob why do you continue to lie?
I had no clue where Wagner was. I said *I* was not in London.
Now Sean has incriminated himself on the stand under oath. Interesting.
"I would rather concentrate on why Wagner persists in the attempt to undermine Sean and Grant's credibility. That is more productive."
show us all now Rob where RW undermines Sean and Grants credibility.
Sean managed to do that rather well on his own under oath today.
"Now Sean has incriminated himself on the stand under oath. Interesting."
Indeed it is! As I've said in TM6 above:
"Like PPO says, he's incriminating himself by doing so. Something he had a constitutional right NOT do do.
And Brent freely chose to sacrifice his rights, in the interests of justice in this case."
"show us all now Rob where RW undermines Sean and Grants credibility.
Sean managed to do that rather well on his own under oath today."
Actually no, I'd say he did precisely the opposite.
Rob said...Did Wagner vett in the ordinary meaning of the word? He gave Kocis his opinion. Wagner's testimony avoided the word. What is more telling here is that Kocis overruled Wagner's opinion. He also avoided addressing the questioned email to Sean as raised by Dewayne
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Rob, RW did indeed use the work "vett" when explaining his orgainizational duities for Bryan.
On cross, defense asked him to define exactly what this meant in terms of his use of the word. And the defense attorney explained to Robert that his use of the word was different then his own definition of it. So you are correct, it was not in the traditional sense of the word.
It is a moot point anyway I think. But I wanted to mention that the issue brought up on cross examination, and Robert was asked to go into a bit more detail of how he would vett models for Cobra.
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