Friday, January 16, 2009

The Hang-Up Call

We now continue our time travel back two years ago, into the minds of Harlow and Joe.

It has now been 5 days since the Vegas dinner, and 2 days since Joe's grandiose email, triumphantly heralding the new partnership between Brent Corrigan and Boybatter! All that is now needed is a confirmatory message announcement from Brent, and hoards of Brent fans hungry for memberships (recall, Brent Corrigan Online was still blocked from doing CC Bill business by the lawsuit at this time) will swarm in, all plunking down anywhere from $39.95 to $100 for Boybatter subscriptions. Ah, immediate electronic funds...

And those immediate funds were indeed needed, as they had just missed both of their January car payments. This must have been a huge, finacially demoralizing event for them, causing the first known blemishes on their credit report:

February 2007:
From Harlow's Forbidden Credit Report:
DAIMLERCHRYS: 30 days late for February
BMW FIN SVC: 30 days late for February
They had obviously been living on cash advances up until now, but those cards had finally maxxed (and overmaxxed) out. In fact, Joe confesses the depths of their early 2007 financial mess to Grant at the Crab Catcher three months later:

JOSEPH KEREKES: I paint it in the blogs, like we're doing well Grant, but we ran for our lives, we ah, we're living in the Ghetto in South Beach okay, and ah, it's been horrible, we act like we have all this, we don't ya know we cash advanced everything, ya ,know? We're In so much, debt, we're probably gonna have to do bankruptcy, it's just horrible, it's been horrible, my mom and my dad what they've gone through, looking over our shoulder every second, ya know? It's been hell.
So, you can see what's at stake here, on this day. If even a tiny fraction of the massive fan base indicated by Brent's Alexa numbers began subscribing at Boybatter's inflated subscription rates, their immediate financial woes would have been over. They could at least return to paying their bills on time.

So...where was that announcement from Brent Corrigan Online? Joe must have expected it yesterday, and checked...but nope, nothing. So, Joe checks BCO again this morning, and...nope, nothing, no mention of their big "deal." 'WTF!' Joe thinks...

And here's what happens next; from the Out article:

On the morning of Tuesday, January 16, Joe and Harlow called Sean, angry that Sean had not posted an announcement of their plans on his blog. Grant was furious at their impatience. “I’m in the middle of the settlement, and I had gone to great lengths to explain our situation, and they’re all pissed off because we don’t have a blog post on? Who the fuck do they think they are? I called them and said, ‘We’ve got a lot to do. You’re calling Sean and harassing him.’ Joe starts getting angry with me, saying wild things, threatening me that if we don’t ‘put up a post,’ the deal is off. I said, ‘If you don’t understand us, leave us the fuck alone.’ And I told Sean, ‘Screw those guys. Don’t talk to them anymore.’ That was it.”
And just like Joe confirmed Grant's account of the Vegas dinner on the Crab Catcher Tapes, Joe also confirms Grant's description of this "Hang-Up Call:"

GRANT ROY: ... I just wanted to let you know how I feel, I'm not fuckin happy, ya know, the day you called me and told me you wanted the banner up, ya know and the blog or whatever, I was pissed...


JOSEPH KEREKES: When was this?





GRANT ROY: ...ah ...





JOSEPH KEREKES: Way back when?





GRANT ROY: Yea.





JOSEPH KEREKES: I remember that, yea.





GRANT ROY: And I said ah, and you, ya know you were putting pressure on him, ya know if we didn't do that, there was gonna be no shoot, and ya know I'm under, I'm trying to get all the wording finalized in the fucking settlement, so it was exactly how we agreed on in Vegas and ya know, you're making threats to him, that we're not gonna do a deal...

JOSEPH KEREKES: I didn't mean to threaten him.





GRANT ROY: Ah, if, if...





JOSEPH KEREKES: (Inaudible).





GRANT ROY: ... if we don't put up a blog, so I call ya and say what the fuck's goin on, and then you blow up at me, and it lasted all of about a minute and then we hung up.


JOSEPH KEREKES: Mmm, hmm.





GRANT ROY: Ya know, I called him and said don't talk to those son of a bitches again... fuck'em if they don't understand what we're going through fuck'em.


JOSEPH KEREKES: I'm sorry I didn't understand.





Nope, he sure didn't. But I suspect, after that phone disconnected, he finally did: because of the ongoing settlement talks, they never had a "deal" in Vegas. And as long as the settlement problem remained, they would never get one, either.

You know, sitting there after that fatefully harsh, reality-inducing phone call...what must have been going through both their minds? Sitting in a mountain of debt, with missed car payments, and other bills for next month beginnning to arrive...what to do?

After a nasty argument like that, is there ANY thing they could do to somehow impress Brent and Grant, and get back into their good graces? And if they do, can this annoying settlement roadblock be quickly overcome?

And we can imagine them there, sitting in the "hot tub o' fun" for the rest of this afternoon...soaking, brooding, pondering those two questions simultaneously...

80 comments:

will g said...

Elm, I'm not attacking you, but I really wish you would explain why you find it so hard to accept that there was a financial motive behind the crime, as you've repeatedly stated. Two threads back you say, "I just don't see it as being so clear cut as to why Bryan was murdered." When Jim lays out the sequence of events for us like this, frankly I think one has to willfully deny the facts to think there could be any OTHER motive.

You aren't alone in this, I've seen other people say that the problem with the case agains H & J is the motive thing, but to me it is as clear as day.

elmysterio said...

Will It is obvious after the fact that Joe and Harlow had some financial problems but to say that was a motive to kill Bryan is a bit of a stretch.

If Sean and Grant were not willing to work with them before Bryan was dead why would they work with the people who are accused of killing Bryan?

I have always believed that Sean and Grant used Joe and Harlow as leverage against Bryan for a beter position in the settelment deal.

But for them to kill Bryan because he was an impediment to their business is a stretch.

Bryan was not the problem with them working with Sean, it was Sean and Grant.

Bryan was just a byproduct of a fucked up situation. Bryan had put a stop to Sean and Grant's website with the help of Lee Bergeron.

Think about this, Bryan really had no authority to stop Sean and Grant from using CC bill. He would have to get a court injunction to do that.

I do not beleive that there was one. So guess who got LSG shut down, it was Lee Bergeron. Niether he or Bryan could afford to have all of that Video footage go live on BCO beccause it would devalue it for Cobra Video.

Bryan wanted that new Brent Corrigan footage for his own use. what is funny is that most of it was not all that good as Bryan said so himself.

The hottest scene was the one with Brent And Brad "Sweat it Out" but Brad signed a exclusive contract with BCO and the footage could only be used on the web site. That pissed Bryan off, pity that.

Why do you think there was a back door deal? Bryan did not want Brent back. Bryan wanted to destroy Brent Corrigan. Brent got the best of Bryan and Bryan could not have that.

Chances are if Bryan had lived you would be looking at Brent Corrigan's picture on the side of a milk carton.

as far as Joe and Harlow killing Bryan, if they did, it was not for the reasons that the prosecution is stating.

There is a much more sinister reason why Bryan is dead. It could be that Bryan had a big mouth and he could not help himself by spouting off his big plans for the destruction of BCO.

That could have pissed someone off and they took the law into their own hands and did what the courts of PA failed to do.

The fact is no one but Bryan's family is sad that he is dead if you really think about it and their grief is financially motivated.

Yeah it's harsh but the truth stings sometime.

Grant said...

Thanks Jim!

Somebody finally figured it out and put it all together! Of course the authorities figured that out after April 27th and 28th 2007. Which is why we weren't the ones arrested two weeks later.

>Grant
P.S. RW(bb), You're next! Go ahead tell the authorities! I dare you!

jim said...

"elmysterio said...
Will It is obvious after the fact that Joe and Harlow had some financial problems..."

JOSEPH KEREKES: ...it's been horrible, we act like we have all this, we don't ya know we cash advanced everything, ya ,know? We're In so much, debt, we're probably gonna have to do bankruptcy, it's just horrible, it's been horrible, my mom and my dad what they've gone through, looking over our shoulder every second, ya know?

jim said...

"I have always believed that Sean and Grant used Joe and Harlow as leverage against Bryan for a beter position in the settelment deal."

Unlikely. Sean told Jody Wheeler before the murder how unimpressed he was with Harlow and Joe. So why would they think they could use a transparantly fly-by-night operation like Boybatter as leverage for anything?

jim said...

"Bryan was not the problem with them working with Sean, it was Sean and Grant."

If by that you mean to say Sean and Grant used Bryan as a convenient excuse to say no to Harlow and Joe, who they considered a pair of charletans, then yes, I agree with you.

jim said...

"Think about this, Bryan really had no authority to stop Sean and Grant from using CC bill. He would have to get a court injunction to do that."

Yet that's what happened historically. CCBill caved to a ceased-and-desist letter from Bryan's lawyer.

jim said...

"as far as Joe and Harlow killing Bryan, if they did, it was not for the reasons that the prosecution is stating."

Joe with his life sentence deal set in stone was perfectly free to reveal such different reasons when he went before PPO. He did not. He officially admitted he and Harlow killed Kocis because they saw him as a business rival.

Grant said...

jim said...

"Think about this, Bryan really had no authority to stop Sean and Grant from using CC bill. He would have to get a court injunction to do that."

Yet that's what happened historically. CCBill caved to a ceased-and-desist letter from Bryan's lawyer.

January 17, 2009 1:50 AM


Additional inside info: Macias had represented CC-Bill prior to him taking the case for Bryan! Which is why the simple letter worked. There is so much more that has yet to be presented! It will be though, in due time!

>Grant

quickysrt said...

Jim pictures with the clarity of his mind's eye... "After a nasty argument like that, is there ANY thing they could do to somehow impress Brent and Grant, and get back into their good graces? And if they do, can this annoying settlement roadblock be quickly overcome?

And we can imagine them there, sitting in the "hot tub o' fun" for the rest of this afternoon...soaking, brooding, pondering those two questions simulateously..."
----

This is what you do when you are in this situation, and you indeed have some creative talent and some resources (like 40g available balance remainiing):

You go find a very hot actor or two for your production company, the very best you can drum up, and you get Harlow to give an Oscar worthy performance along with this amazing cast. You produce the most amazing production you possible can. A tightly edited finely focused masterwork.

You then get this up online, and on your new site. You then invite Sean and Grant to have a look at your "vision" for ideas. They see your wondeful production, and amazing previously unseen talent, and are drawn by the freshness and excitment of what they see.

They then decide you are on to something and want to get involved.

But then this takes planning, vision, talent, money, and time. These were all things in short supply by January of 1007.

There was a way to do this, but it does not involve drink, drugs, etc. It could have worked out after all had there been not such a rush to things.

That is why this is a really sad case, the story had potential to end well, and everyone get something good out of it.

elmysterio said...

Jim you just keep aiming at Joe and Harlow. thatr is what the prosecution wants you to believe.

Quicky I do agree with you this was all such a waste. I have seen some of the video that boybatter produced and it was good.

Too bad that they did not see that for themselves and forget the meeting with Sean and Grant.

Either way Sean and Grant would have drug them down whether Bryan was killed or not.

elmysterio said...

Jim I find this funny that Sean would tell Jody wheeler this before Bryan was killed.

Unlikely. Sean told Jody Wheeler before the murder how unimpressed he was with Harlow and Joe. So why would they think they could use a transparantly fly-by-night operation like Boybatter as leverage for anything?

The facts are as stated by both sides that Sean and Grant invited Joe and Harlow to Vegas. But You say that Sean was not impressed with them.

What does that have to do with them using Joe and Harlow as a point of leverage against Cobra Video?

elmysterio said...

Jim this is the best one yet,
Joe with his life sentence deal set in stone was perfectly free to reveal such different reasons when he went before PPO. He did not. He officially admitted he and Harlow killed Kocis because they saw him as a business rival.

With this little statement Joe prevented himself from getting the needle. Joe is a chicken shit and this whole case has proved as much.

Joe said what he said to get the best deal he could get and that was life in prison. Joe would have told them anything they wanted to hear to get away from the death penalty.

elmysterio said...

What I find funny is that now you choose to beleive Joe. Yet when he was standing trial everything he said was a lie.

What makes you think his confession was not a lie?

Why is he not going to testify agianst Harlow now?

Well that could be because the whole story that Joe told the prosecution is so full of holes that the case against Harlow would be thrown out.

This case is based on nothing but lies and the sooner you all figure that out the better.

I have been lied to by so many people with regards to this case that that I could fill a book about the lias alone.

jim said...

"The facts are as stated by both sides that Sean and Grant invited Joe and Harlow to Vegas."

Vegas is not Sean and Grant's home, so it would be more accurate to say they suggested they all meet in Vegas, during this trade convention.

"But You say that Sean was not impressed with them."

Jody Wheeler says that yes, based on a conversation he had with Sean before the murder.

"What does that have to do with them using Joe and Harlow as a point of leverage against Cobra Video?"

Because if on closer inspection Sean and Grant observed Boybatter to be an overrated fraud, then it's likely Bryan would have discerned that too.

jim said...

" elmysterio said...
What I find funny is that now you choose to beleive Joe. Yet when he was standing trial everything he said was a lie."

What I find funny is that you've been saying all along "innocent until prooven guilty" and hence it was UN-AMERICAN for us to speak out against Harlow and Joe in the meantime!

And if the system found them guilty, then you would too.

Seems to me you are now welching on your promise. As I predicted you would. :-)

jim said...

"Why is he not going to testify agianst Harlow now?

Well that could be because the whole story that Joe told the prosecution is so full of holes that the case against Harlow would be thrown out."

It could also be because Joe is a violently unstable homocidal maniac, and that the case against Harlow is so strong he is not needed, in any event.

By the way Elm, do you know what is preventing the defense from issuing Joe a subpoena, calling him as a witness, and exposing these "holes" you claim?

Nothing!

Except perhaps common sense on their part.

Joe wont being called as a witness by either side, not because of anything wrong with his story, but because his demeanor makes him a liability to ANY side that tries to use him.

jim said...

"This case is based on nothing but lies and the sooner you all figure that out the better."

Then point out these "lies" and disproove them.

That's what I've been successfully doing with the bs coming out of the Harlow camp for nearly two years.

Anonymous said...

Joe as unstable is an understatement. Brutish, maniacal, narcisstic, control freak.

How many men must have a Desert Eagle 9 mm by the bed as a phallic symbol within easy stroking and firing range and, just to show it can be fired, shoot into the wall/ceiling several rounds on various occasions? Rather than remembering the Miranda Warnings about remaining silent, freely gabs away with the officers taking him to his arraignment in Pennsylvania as well as his infamous courtroom outbursts. No one would want Joe testifying about a blasted thing. He's like throwing a grenade in a crowded building.

BB said...

"Vegas is not Sean and Grant's home, so it would be more accurate to say they suggested they all meet in Vegas, during this trade convention."

Suggestion? no your wrong. If your going to be accurate, state the fact on this. The fact is Joe and Harlow were invited. This has been confirmed.

BB said...

"I dare you!"

is that what you said to Joe and Harlow?

you say that to everyone and anyone who you think stands in your way.

save that kind of talk for the witness stand IF YOU DARE.

Albert said...

I have been absent for some time and gather there is some mis-understanding about BB's role in this on-line discussion.
First let's be very clear. One can not find a better, more vocal or articulate spokesperson for the Cobra/Kocis legacy. He distills and clarifies the family thoughts and intellect better than anyone who is now living. That is why he speaks.

Some of us have had imitations impossed on us. The concept and practice of 'Justice' as practiced in Pennsylvania bears intense and thorough review. Some would see large aspects of that current jurisprudence as simply 'BULLSHIT.'
Hey PPO, when will Harlow get his quick and speedy trial and who will represent him? Will they speak English? Will they have actually passed the state exams and established themselves as capable of handling the task? That has not always been the case in the past. What, if anything at all, has changed to make sure that happens now?

jim said...

"Suggestion? no your wrong. If your going to be accurate, state the fact on this. The fact is Joe and Harlow were invited. This has been confirmed."

Really? Are Sean and Grant the mayors of Las Vegas? Did they present Harlow and Joe with a Key to the City?

Did they pay for Harlow and Joe's trip?

How about their lodgings?

How about their meals (oh, wait, Harlow and Joe's credit card paid for the dinner...never mind THAT question).

will g said...

What is the big deal about whether or not Grant "invited" them to Vegas or "suggested" it or whose idea it was? It is a fact that he contacted Harlow since he was interested in new models, and had some interest in meeting him. That is not in dispute, is it? I also got the impression he was suggesting that H & J might want to attend the industry trade show for their own business purposes. What's wrong with that? But of course BB reads something sinister into everything Grant does, so why should this be any different?

Anonymous said...

"save that kind of talk for the witness stand IF YOU DARE," BB says.

BB you testified on the first day of the preliminary hearing. You are open to being summoned to that same witness stand. There is no doubt that Mr. Roy can take any heat thrown up at him. The real question is whether you can when you are being cross examined.

jim said...

" will g said...
What is the big deal about whether or not Grant "invited" them to Vegas or "suggested" it or whose idea it was?"

It's a small sematic deal really. "Invited" is misleading in this context because implies Sean and Grant played host to Harlow and Joe in Vegas, when the reality is they didn't extend any of the usual courtesies extended to invited guests whatsoever.

In fact the exact opposite occured...Harlow and Joe invited Sean and Grant to a very expensive dinner at Le Cirque, and Harlow and Joe took care of the tab.

This goes right to a main point I made back in the "Le Cirque Revisted" post - Harlow and Joe played the supplicant role going into Vegas that weekend.

will g said...

I think Joe paid for dinner on a nearly maxed-out credit card for the same reason he bought the faux-chinchilla coat -- an ostentatious and deceptive display of wealth, to give the impression to Sean and Grant that they were dealing with real players here, not a couple of soon-to-be-foreclosed-upon grifters.

jim said...

Yep.

Albert said...

will g at 2:36. Sorry buddy.
I find little fault with the 'all or nothing' approach Joe took in the end there. Had the cause and result been noble and successful, we would applaud his risk taking and foresight. Financially strapped though he was, he was also banking on the success of his little ruse.
It did not work. Thats all.

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Blogger Albert said...

First let's be very clear. One can not find a better, more vocal or articulate spokesperson for the Cobra/Kocis legacy. He distills and clarifies the family thoughts and intellect better than anyone who is now living. That is why he speaks.


Your right Albert and I might add absent any of Bryans charming and amiable public persona!

And lest anyone wonder BB was just as hateful on Juicygoo in July 2005 when the only thing Sean had done to Bryan and Robert was chat about "Bareback sex at Cobra"

Before the underage filming was made public.

Every post was full of Hate and Threat.

To this day all the extra courtroom security at every hearing and at the trial has been because of Robert Wagner and his gun nut shooting club friends.

This whole Saga will end with another death.

I am Absolutely certain of this.

You can bank on it!

The only question will the smoking gun be in Roberts hand or an FBI agents.

Rob said...

"To this day all the extra courtroom security at every hearing and at the trial has been because of Robert Wagner and his gun nut shooting club friends."

Didn't PC say this guy was not relevant to the case? He sounds dangerous to me.

BB said...

"There is no doubt that Mr. Roy can take any heat thrown up at him."

really? time will tell... so much of his past will be brought up, he will find himself in a position where he MUST answer ALL questions TRUTHFULLY.

he will be on the stand for days. he has a lot of explaining to do. his (proven and often written about) rage and anger will be put to the test in ways it has never done to him before.

is he ready yet? he might think so.

the beauty is i need not dare him to take the stand. he has no choice in the matter. I WILL BE THERE to witness this event.

BB said...

Albert and Dewayne,

We have gone round in circles many times. Seems you both want to go another round.

Ok, sure, why not, I am up for it :)

Albert, you admit to having kiddie porn locked up in your safe. You say you purchased this porn coz the model looked like he was 12 - your words, not mine. Dewayne, it has been shown in your own words you have serious mental issues. This old can of worms has been opened by you both. I have additional information. Expect a new post with the details soon.

BB said...

Can someone explain why all this RW talk has resurfaced?

Thought that was put to rest a while ago.

My best guess the name is used in desperation, for what I am not sure.

TIA :)

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Just an observation on the dinner at Le Cirque

Why do you spend 3000 dollars on a "business dinner" with two people you want to do buisness with and just met?

To hopefully pressure the "marks" into signing a deal.

I told Grant this two years ago this was the same "high pressure sales job" you get at a "Timeshare" weekend.

In Hollywood an initial "Lunch" is informal and a get to know you kind of thing.

A 3000 dollar dinner would happen AFTER the contracts are signed!

That is what was so off-putting to Sean and Grant

Joe and Harlow's demeanor screamed "scam artist and hustlers"
or

a scene from "The Grifters"

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Notice how BB gets so "distressed" whenever Robert Wagner becomes a point of discussion?

He sure will be upset when my Robert Wagner blog is posted for all the world to see.

He must secretly WANT the attention if he didn't he would have slunk away long time ago.

He CERTAINLY should not have contacted me!

Bring it on BB we want you front and center spread the hate dearie..

Makes you and (your late lover Bryan) look SO GOOD!

jim said...

"he will be on the stand for days. he has a lot of explaining to do. his (proven and often written about) rage and anger will be put to the test in ways it has never done to him before."

I think you'll find out at trial, BB, that the defense attoneys will consider Harlow to be their client, and not Cobra Video.

I'm sure they'll ask Grant some questions, but they won't be the one's your hoping for.

Albert said...

Control-Alt-Delete,.....CAD
Cathode Ray Tube,.......CRT

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Answer me this BB...
How can you condemn a Cobra customer for being attracted to an underage Brent when Robert Wagner and Kocis filmed the same underage Brent and Bryan Kocis slept with underage Brent(only after finding out he was in fact underage)

The Hypocrisy here is enough to make Linda Blairs head spin right into the ceiling!

But of course to be expected Bryan referred to his customers as perverts,,he had the same self-loathing attitude about his work, his sex life indeed being homo as you seem to have.

Self Hate is a nasty thing it will make someone do horrible things to themselves and other people.

Rob said...

Albert and Dewayne and the personal boogeymen they have confronted are not the issues here.

The defense will attempt to try the victim. The former close associate of the late Bryan Kocis has more to fear from the defense tactics than Grant Roy.

Jim is quite correct about both the GAYVN and the Le Cirque dinner. Harlow and Joe invited Sean and Grant for supper. They paid the tab, or rather, Joe signed the cheque and the credit card receipt.

quickysrt said...

BB said...
"Vegas is not Sean and Grant's home, so it would be more accurate to say they suggested they all meet in Vegas, during this trade convention."

Suggestion? no your wrong. If your going to be accurate, state the fact on this. The fact is Joe and Harlow were invited. This has been confirmed.
----

Let me put it in simple terms. When you are invited somewhere like a dinner or a trip, or both, the invited party is being treated, as in given a free event.

Sean and Grant did not to my knowledge offer to pay for Harlow nor Joe's accommodations or airfare, or even a dinner. The says about all we need to know really. Unless it was S/G who paid for some of H/J's trip here and we don't know about it....naw.

Thank god for electronic paper trails, and cc statements. Glad to have that cleared up for you. ;)

Rob said...

"Expect a new post with the details soon." BB, 18 Jan. 2009

Why not? We all like good science fiction.

BB said...

"How can you condemn a Cobra customer for being attracted to an underage Brent..."

really easy. the customer (Albert) purchased the porn coz he thought the model "looked like he was 12".

then there is you. you have documented your love of much younger boys in your own words, not to mention your experimentation with various drugs, legal and illegal.

proof will be provided soon.

BB said...

"Why not? We all like good science fiction."

lol, fiction it is not. it is not a Rob post, it is also in Dewaynes own words as typed by him.

go back to playing a federal agent if it is fiction you want.

jim said...

"BB said...
"How can you condemn a Cobra customer for being attracted to an underage Brent..."

really easy. the customer (Albert) purchased the porn coz he thought the model "looked like he was 12".

then there is you. you have documented your love of much younger boys in your own words,...
"

The entire business model of Cobra was to scout out, recruit and film models who were 18 but looked at least 1 to 6 years younger. Brent in EPD being Exhibit A.

Thus I find myself in wholehearted agreement with BB that this sort of ephebophilia pandering was and is disgusting. Videos like this and it's unseen narrator make my skin crawl with revulsion.

Hence - and I'm sure my fellow anti-ephebe crusader BB must agree with this too - there certainly is a silver lining to the murder of Bryan Kocis: Cobra Video has essentially been destroyed as filming entity, and all the other scum associated with this evil company have been scattered and impoverished.

Brent, Grant and anyone else who had a hand in bringing about this happy result through lawful means certainly deserve some sort of medal.

will g said...

Jim, I believe if BB wants to go on attacking Albert, DeWayne, Rob, et al., he should do it on his own blog. Thank you.

V.J. said...

touchdown-jim!
LOL!

BB said...

Jim,

I can not agree that the brutal murder of a human being has any silver lining period.

"Brent, Grant and anyone else who had a hand in bringing about this happy result through lawful means certainly deserve some sort of medal."

Very odd thing for you to say about a known escort and his then much older lover/pornographer.

It is of course up to you who you think deserves medals. Though I have never heard of such a thing when it comes to a brutal murder case.

Dewayne has promoted very young model porn many times as has GRANT ROY. I must assume you think they deserve the same fate as Bryan Kocis based on your comments.

I think that perverts just need to be locked up, let those already in prison deal with them.

Rob said...

Will, VJ, & Jim--

BB attack? He's consistent. He's genuine in his approach. Grant must have said something that upset him.

BB said...

"Jim, I believe if BB wants to go on attacking Albert, DeWayne, Rob, et al., he should do it on his own blog. Thank you."

Where do you suggest they go to do their attacking?

Rob said...

BB--

Get this bright boy. You opened your yap and that curtain you hid behind parted. Biohazard Boi is a convenient fiction.

Reruns. That's the best you can do. Never anything original. Always an old tactic and from the late man's playbook. You are too damned unoriginal to scare anyone. That's what's pathetic from your hitching your star to that bloated, ephebophoic recluse you worked for.

jim said...

" BB said...
Jim,

I can not agree that the brutal murder of a human being has any silver lining period."

Really? Have you seen the movie Valkyrie?

Suppose, for the sake of argument, the brutal murder attempt in that film was actually successful. Would you still claim there to be no silver lining in the result?

Albert said...

I can not agree that the brutal murder of a human being has any silver lining period.

Jesus Christ

jim said...

Was that an exclamation or an example, Albert? :-)

will g said...

Oh dear, Jim, let's don't go comparing Kocis to Hitler. But point well taken.

BB, there are attacks coming from both directions, it's true. BUT there is a difference. The attacks in one direction are being aimed MOSTLY at one Robert Wagner, and there is nobody here by that name, as far as I can tell. In the other direction you are aiming them at identifiable personages who are here, and whose reputations and integrity you are trying to besmirch.

As unfair as you may think the volleys at RW are, he does actualy figure (tangentially) in this case, so you could argue that it has some relevance. What is the relevance of attacking Albert, DeWayne, and Rob? In addition to being mean-spirited, it's meaningless and BORING.

jim said...

" will g said...
Oh dear, Jim, let's don't go comparing Kocis to Hitler. But point well taken."

Technically I didn't, but if you say I did, then, by the same rules Albert just compared him to Christ. So, I'd say the day's been a wash for Bryan here in the comparison department.

Rob said...

Including yourself among the perverts BB? After all when the dead man couldn't perform, you stepped in. Real brave when passing out GHB laced drinks. Braver still in names. How many aliases? Seven. Not lucky for you.

I defend. The price for your terming me a Nazi much farther back. Call quarter for all the good it will do.

Albert said...

He is the beginning and the end, the exclamation and the example. :-)

will g said...

I apologize for this in advance Jim, and I'll be brief.

But BB. you asked a question in your latest post but typically did not open up comments, so I'll answer it here.

"Can someone explain how the Cobrakiller's actions are any less sleazy than Bryan's?"

Yes. Grant was not Brent's EMPLOYER.

BB said...

nazis?

jesus?

roflmao.

Rob as much as it pisses you off, RW has come through this mess unstained. Pisses off so many people does that.

Sean and his then lover however are tainted for ever. There is a simple reason for that. See if you can find the answer in your fat fake file. As you often pointed out - and was the only truth you ever typed, research pays off. It revealed info about Cedric and Dewayne and yourself.

You were proven to be a liar impersonating a federal agent, the information you were FED by Dewayne was also proven to be lies.

So um yeah keep screaming about RW, it will backfire. It has to date with everyone else. Ask Dewayne to ask Grant if that is true :).

BB said...

"The price for your terming me a Nazi much farther back"

more of your lies from your fat file :)

back up that claim, i dare you :)

BB said...

Albert,

Thats right, drag another dead man into it who is not here to defend himself, it is in keeping with your mo.

Creepy and cowardly to say the least.

V.J. said...

Damned if this thread is not getting good!
The best has been saved for the last I guess? :)

Rob said...

Sorry BB

I don't do your research for you. Get off your ass and find it yourself.

Rob said...

BB(RW)--

Struck a nerve.
You know all about lies. You've told plenty.

Why should you be following writer Michael Gross around New York and trying to talk to his sources at the time he was researching his OUT article?

The fat file of shit you reference is yours. You've been smearing it around for the dead pervert, Kocis.

That's ok Jake said plenty about you and that wouldn't be Henriquez.

Dewayne and Grant have you worried. Here's a piece of advice Biohazard Boi: Omnium rerum principia parva sunt.

Albert said...

Creepy and Cowardly are white faced cowards dressed in transgender gay garb who anonimously go into the churches of people of faith for the soul purpose of mocking those belivers, including making faces at young children and old ladies. These creepy and cowardly faggots hiding behind a shit load of makeup (like your avatar) lack the courage of their convictions.
The fact is, they like you are scared shitless to let their real identities be known. If they did that they may be held responsible for their beliefs or lack therof.
This is really like the young man in the family who finally 'came out' to the rest of the family. We all knew all along but that person was in denial and so,...

BB say's, "I am ....."
All respond, "We knew that."

Geoff Harvard said...

Don't you just hate BB more than you hated Bryan Kocis?

One satisfying possibility is that he will show up to the trial and try to push some buttons after hours. I hope no one does anything inappropriate.

jim said...

"One satisfying possibility is that he will show up to the trial and try to push some buttons after hours. I hope no one does anything inappropriate."

I.e., reminicent of Renee during the last big hearing.

Geoff Harvard said...

That is an interesting comparison. I have said since September that BB is probably female.

Geoff Harvard said...

Oh, look, I snagged comment #69.

BB said...

"BB say's, "I am ....."
All respond, "We knew that."

Grant Roy claimed BB was Bryan Kocis.

Everyone said "We knew that."

Now they claim BB is Robert Wagner.

Everyone says "We know it."

So why would I say I am so and so when many of you claim to already know who I am?

Don't bother to answer, it is so not important.

The trial is important - VERY IMPORTANT.

Those who are going, see ya there.

will g said...

Geoff Harvard said...

"That is an interesting comparison. I have said since September that BB is probably female."

Wait, Geoff, I thought you just said recently that BB is Sean. Are you saying Sean is a female-to-male transexual? I'm confused.

will g said...

BB said...

"The trial is important - VERY IMPORTANT.

Those who are going, see ya there."

You know, for the very first time I think I am now considering attending. Just to get to meet BB, Renee, and everyone else would be a hoot.

Will you be wearing a "BB" name tag, BB? How would I know who you are? I'm not going to go around calling "BB! Where are you?" if I go.

Jim, are you going???

jim said...

Unlikely at this point, but you never know...

Geoff Harvard said...

Will, so many on these blogs still lack critical reading skills. I did not say that Sean was BB. I asked what if Sean were BB, even going so far as to use the subjunctive mood.

Geoff Harvard said...

Omnium rerum principia parva sunt:

http://www.saintbenedict.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SDT&Category_Code=

Another item in the catalog is Saint Sebastian dying in a bed of zinnias clad in a kirtle of begonias.

Rob said...

BB(RW) returns. No matter.

BB(RW) writes, citing the Affidavit of Probable Cause, "WAHL [a witness] believed Joe and Harlow were involved intimately, but broke up over Sean LOCKHART; aka Brent Corrigan. WAHL stated Harlow was going to leave KEREKES for LOCKHART. Harlow and Sean LOCKHART were supposedly going to make a movie together."*1

"ANDERSON [another witness] added that “Trent” (stage name) is partners with Harlow CUADRA in the escort business. ANDERSON did not know Trent’s real name but thought his first name may be “Joe”."*2

*1. Nice try Robert. Wahl's statement is clearly his belief, not a fact and, hence, is termed hearsay. What would be relevant is the source of the hearsay. Presumably, that source is either Harlow Cuadra or Joseph Kerekes or both men; however, that is not a clear point from the context of the Affidavit of Probable Cause which, of course, is a document meant to bind the suspects over to trial.

*2. Another hearsay statement "ANDERSON stated CUADRA and Trent were former lovers but CUADRA left Trent for Sean LOCKHART." There is absolutely no indication that Anderson has first-hand knowledge of any relationship between either Cuadra and Kerekes or Cuadra and Lockhart.

Both are unsubstantiated and clearly couched as the opinions of Wahl and Anderson respectively.

So much for your leap in logic on that score.

BB(RW) writes, "It is important that people do not forget that Sean Lockhart was a whore who sold his ass for $$$ to anyone that paid - lets not forget all his bb porn cum eating work too. He is NOT clean."*3

*3. Underage Sean Lockhart had been an escort through coercion of his so-called boyfriend, Chris Henriquez, who was actually an exploitive pimp. Chris tried to blackmail Bryan Kocis after he had maneuvered the long-standing ephebophobe into acquiring Sean as a model, and that acquisition of Sean turned into Kocis' goose that laid many golden eggs. And that leads us to Robert Wagner, now in London, England who functioned as Bryan Kocis' pimp and occasional stand-in when he was not handling the camera so Bryan could partake in his favorite proclivity, threesomes with underage teen males.

BB(RW) writes, "We have two people who confirm that Harlow and Sean clearly made their own plans without Joe and the Cobra Killers knowledge. It explains why Sean has kept his mouth shut since the murder."*4

*4. BB references Wahl and Anderson. Hearsay, but not factual; provocative, but not substantiated. When BB, were Sean and Harlow together to set these plans in motion? There is not much opportunity. All Sean has to do is account for his time and this theory evaporates into the mist.

BB(RW) writes, "We will know more about Harlow and Sean's plans at trial. I am told what Harlow has to say about this is damning to say the least for Sean Lockhart."*5

*5. This is where the Renee Martin bullshit resurrects. The discredited and bail bonded Renee Martin or PC? After all that blogger predicted that Sean and Grant would be arrested on setting foot in Pennsylvania. Sean and Grant were cleared of complicity in Kocis' death. That would be one Hell of an obstacle to overcome.

BB(RW) blows, "[Grant] will be a bit more careful in the future who he attacks online. I exposed him for the lying old twink loving pervert he really is."*6

*6. What did you expose? That you participated in the systematic procurement and molestation of underage teen males? But then, as Albert pointed out, you are Fool in white face who allowed himself to be Kocis' tool.

Grant Roy's identification is dead on.

Rob said...

Will G writes, "Will you be wearing a "BB" name tag, BB? How would I know who you are? I'm not going to go around calling "BB! Where are you?" if I go."

Will that is a brillant piece of clown history. Harlequin, and other clowns, would pin labels on the back of other clowns. This was a staple in vaudeville and burlesque. Of course, something untoward would happen to the unsuspecting white faced Harlequin. Truly brillant!

Rob said...

The persona known as BB says,"Who lied? So many going back and forth saying this one lied and that one lied. DUH, look at the type of people being dealt with here. Hookers and their pimps. They are all proven liars."

How telling! You include yourself in your own comment.

Your statement also marks the dead man as one of the biggest pimps in at least a two-state area with frequent flyer miles to California and other points beyond.

As for lying, or is it deflection? Take equipment. Seems simple on its surface. Then, it gets multiplied. Doesn't jive when compared to what those "hookers" have to say. Everyone's a liar but you. That would be a paranoid delusion like your late boss in his final days like his neighbor said.

Signatures didn't get on 2257 forms by osmosis.

Rob said...

Aperite mihi portas justitiae, ingressus in eas veritas reputavi.