Anyways, PC is on the road right now, so here is the latest from today's Times Leader:
Posted: July 10And this updated story from the Citizen's Voice:
Updated: Today at 6:33 AM
Judge rebukes defense attorneys
EDWARD LEWIS elewis@timesleader.com
WILKES-BARRE – Time and money could have been saved if a potential conflict of interest among attorneys in the Bryan Kocis murder case had been revealed sooner, a county judge said on Wednesday.
Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas Judge Peter Paul Olszewski Jr. said he was disappointed he wasn’t informed weeks ago about the conflict among court-appointed attorneys in the capital murder case against Harlow Cuadra and Joseph Kerekes.
The fact that lawyers from the same law firm were appointed to defend Cuadra and Kerekes wasn’t raised until midway through Tuesday’s hearing on a pre-trial motion. Attorney Mark Bufalino, who is representing Kerekes, and Paul Galante, Cuadra’s attorney, told Olszewski there was a possible conflict because they work for the same law firm.
At that point, Olszewski suspended Tuesday’s proceeding to allow the attorneys to research the ethics and ramifications of the situation.
When the hearing resumed Wednesday morning, Bufalino and Galante requested to withdraw from the case.
Olszewski granted their request, but not before he scolded the attorneys.
Olszewski said Bufalino and prosecutors discussed the situation in June, but failed to inform him.
“Those issues and that conversation, for whatever reason, were not brought to the attention of this court,” Olszewski said. “This could have been resolved in June. I’m disappointed that did not happen.”
Twelve witnesses were flown in from various parts of the country and lodged at a local hotel at the expense of the district attorney’s office for the pre-trial hearing on Tuesday, according to Assistant District Attorney Michael Melnick.
After Wednesday’s proceedings, Bufalino and Galante refused to comment, citing a gag order imposed by Olszewski. The order prohibits them from publicly discussing the case.
Olszewski said he will appoint two more lawyers – one to assist Kerekes’ remaining attorneys, Shelley Centini and John Pike, and one to work with Steven Menn and Michael Senape, Cuadra’s attorneys. Bufalino and Galante were considered the lead attorneys for their clients.
Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty for Cuadra, 26, and Kerekes, 34, in the January 2007 slaying of 44-year-old Kocis of Dallas Township. Police said they killed Kocis, their rival in the gay porn industry, then set his Midland Drive home on fire.
Investigators allege the two Virginia Beach., Va., men wanted to work with Sean Lockhart, a contract model for Kocis’ company, Cobra Video, according to arrest and court records.
After Bufalino and Galante were officially removed from the case on Wednesday, Olszewski permitted the remaining attorneys to discuss with their clients whether they wanted to proceed with the pre-trial hearing.
When the hearing resumed Wednesday afternoon, Menn and Centini each asked to postpone the hearing. Centini said she needs time to review hundreds of records that prosecutors filed in court on Thursday and Monday. Most involve recorded telephone conversations in which Cuadra, Kerekes and Renee Martin discussed making up an alibi defense.
Martin, named a material witness for the prosecution, allegedly managed the Cuadra/Kerekes male escort business and gay Web sites in Virginia Beach after the two were arrested in May 2007. She set up three-way phone calls that allowed Kerekes and Cuadra to talk while they were in prison.
Olszewski suspended the pre-trial hearing to allow the attorneys to prepare their defense following the withdrawal by Bufalino and Galante. It will continue within the next three weeks, Olszewski said.
Olszewski said he wants the trial to begin with jury selection on Sept. 2.
“It is my intention on keeping that date,” the judge said.
Olszewski said he’ll rule at a later date on defense motions to move the trial out of Luzerne County or to have an outside jury brought in because of pre-trial publicity. He is expected to decide whether to have a joint trial or separate the trials of Cuadra and Kerekes.
Cuadra, Kerekes attorneys removed from Kocis caseNote that the remaining attorneys are now pushing for a further delay, to wait (and wait) and see if they can get Fannick back.
BY MICHAEL R. SISAK
STAFF WRITER
07/10/2008
WILKES-BARRE — A pre-trial hearing in the capital murder case against Harlow Cuadra and Joseph Kerekes was halted Wednesday after Luzerne County Judge Peter Paul Olszewski Jr. allowed two court-appointed defense attorneys to depart following their disclosure of a potential conflict of interest.
Olszewski postponed the hearing for at least three weeks, hours after ruling that Mark Bufalino, who represented Kerekes, and Paul Galante, who represented Cuadra, could no longer serve on the case because the two attorneys work for the same law firm — the Wilkes-Barre office of Elliott Greenleaf.
Late Wednesday, Cuadra’s remaining attorneys, Stephen Menn and Michael Senape, filed a motion to suspend all pre-trial proceedings in Luzerne County Court until the state Superior Court determines whether it will accept a petition requesting a review of Olzsewski’s March 19 order barring Cuadra from retaining defense attorney Demetrius Fannick.
Fannick, who has successfully defended accused murderers Hugo Selenski and Byron Vinson, met with Kerekes at least eight times at the Luzerne County Correctional Facility prior to being hired by Cuadra, which prosecutors argued created a potential conflict in the case. Only fees were discussed, Kerekes said.
Bufalino and Galante revealed their conflict in a private meeting with Olszewski, prosecutors and the other defense attorneys on the case on Tuesday, midway through the first day of the pre-trial hearing.
The attorneys met with Olszewski again Wednesday morning and participated in a conference call with Robert H. Davis, a legal ethics expert who is employed as a consultant by the Luzerne County district attorney’s office.Davis said on the conference call that if Bufalino and Galante continued on the case, the attorneys’ professional relationship would raise questions about their loyalty and the confidentiality of dealings with their respective clients.
“I concur that there is a conflict of interest,” Olszewski said. “I believe that the most appropriate remedy is to grant the motions for removal of Mr. Bufalino and Mr. Galante.”
Bufalino, Shelley Centini and John Pike were appointed last October to represent Kerekes. Galante, Menn and Senape were assigned in January to represent Cuadra. They are all members of the county’s conflict counsel pool, a separate group of publicly funded attorneys assigned to cases when a defendant is unable to retain a private attorney and a public defender cannot be used because of a conflict of interest.
Attorneys in the case, including Bufalino and Galante, are under a court-imposed gag order and are not permitted to publicly comment on any developments.
Cuadra, 26, and Kerekes, 34, both of Virginia Beach, Va., are accused of killing Bryan Kocis, 46, the owner of a company they produced gay pornographic films, in Dallas Township in January 2007.
They are accused of slashing Kocis’ neck to the point of near decapitation, stabbing his torso nearly 30 times and later setting fire to his Midland Drive home.
They face the death penalty and are scheduled to stand trial together beginning Sept. 2.By removing himself from the case, Bufalino said he was ensuring that Kerekes’ “ability to receive a fair trial is not remotely jeopardized.”
Bufalino assured Olszewski that the law firm relationship between himself and Galante, as well as the sharing of office space with Menn, had not created a conflict in the past.
msisak@citizensvoice.com, 570-821-2061
Update: Yep, it's officially a "debacle." The TL runs a follow up story, mentioning the possibility of further delay: "The lawyer debacle involving the capital murder case against Harlow Cuadra is far from over..."
Update 2: PC reports the defense motion for a delay re: Fannick appeal is denied.
45 comments:
"Olszewski is disappointed"
If it were possible, and if I were him - I would sanction the 2 defense attorneys-
to split the total cost of that hearing.
IMO they should be punished for it.
Jim you seem to think that I am of the belief that Joe and Harlow will get off for this murder. Well as far as the justice in this case goes I think that the case against them is seriously lacking.
The defense does not have the skills to defend them or the resources and the prosecution is lacking in good judgement.
As far as you claims that I have some vested interest in this case you are wrong about that. I have been lied to by all who are involved in this case.
As far as I am concerned they should all go to prison. And when this is all over if it is ever over I am sure most of them will.
"elmysterio said...
Jim you seem to think that I am of the belief that Joe and Harlow will get off for this murder."
Not anymore. I've noticed the shift in your judgment (a bigger shift than you might care to admit, but still, there it is). Common sense is finally making some inroads.
"The defense does not have the skills to defend them or the resources and the prosecution is lacking in good judgement."
If by defense lacking the "resources to defend them" you mean evidence that shows them innocent, then yes, I'd agree with you there.
As far as the defense "skills" go, did you read those bios of Bufalino and Galante I posted? They were certified death penalty expert attorneys. Granted, they mighta cut class on the day the had the lecture on "conflicts and legal ethics" back in their law school days, but still...as far as their death penalty creditials went, they both looked top notch.
And as far as the prosecution goes, they've won every major battle. Since the Glorious 15th of May (aka Arrest Day) there has been nothing but an unending stream of legal bad news for Harlow and Joe.
"As far as you claims that I have some vested interest in this case you are wrong about that."
Other have said that about you. YOU (and others) have said that about me. CONSTANTLY.
But me saying you had a vested interest? No. Never happened. I challenge you to find where I ever said that.
I said on many an occasion I am not interested in who other bloggers are, or what their supposed motives are. The quality of people's opinions are what matters to me, not identities or motives.
"I have been lied to by all who are involved in this case."
Yes. Except by me, of course. And ironically, I was practically the only one you didn't believe, LOL!
jim said,
"they might have cut class on the day the lecture on conflicts and legal ethics, back in their law school days"
Very well put!
As to the ethics of Harlow and Joe's attorneys they seem to be lacking in them. They both went to work for that law firm after they were appiomnted as their attorneys.
Jim I am sorry you think that I am accusing you of lying to me. The fact is you have not. But then again you are not involved in this case you are just reporting about it as was I.
As far as the outing of bloggers goes I feel liberated by the fact that I can now say what I want to say and not be intimidated by the fear of someone revealing who I am.
There are others who seem to live in constant fear as to their true motives being revealed.
Elm said...
As far as the outing of bloggers goes I feel liberated by the fact that I can now say what I want to say and not be intimidated by the fear of someone revealing who I am.
There are others who seem to live in constant fear as to their true motives being revealed.
something we share Elm
Both our names are public knowledge we are not hiding motives or identity!
Jim that is not a criticism of you the unbiased blogger but an indictment of the secretive bloggers with real vested interests in this case.
We now know many of the bloggers here in the Kocisphere are in fact members of the Kocis family or associates and we must acknowledge their deep and open hostility to Sean and Grant who they blame for the murder of Bryan Kocis while ignoring or dismissing Joe and Harlow.
I knew this of course but until Michael Kocis thanked PC for his fine blog we have never had a public admission.
IP's are revealing.
So are words...
And if you guys recall, I was within a whisker of outing myself on May 16 of last year...I changed my mind after bb gave me some good reasons to reconsider.
"I knew this of course but until Michael Kocis thanked PC for his fine blog we have never had a public admission."
Dewayne,
I spoke to Bryan's brother-in-law, not his father.
PC--Fascinating. A quirk of fact. But no denial of the approach. What happened to the dire consequences predicted? How does cooperation get stretched to dire consequences? Through long standing bias.
BB? Advice? That's a paradox.
"What happened to the dire consequences predicted? How does cooperation get stretched to dire consequences? Through long standing bias."
Rob,
Predictions can sometimes turn out to be wrong. It certainly isn't like you haven't been wrong in the past.
Dewayne and Cedric did not reveal who they are... others outed them both.
It was the both of them yelling about finding then revealing the identity of others.
They both failed where others succeeded.
Many other threats were made by them both too.
"I have been lied to by all who are involved in this case."
Yes. You passed those lies off as truth on your blog.
I really am glad you now realize this.
"As far as I am concerned they should all go to prison. And when this is all over if it is ever over I am sure most of them will."
I've been saying this for over a year.
I offer FREE advice to those deserving of it :)
PC--For mistakes, I made my share with the rest.
BB--You have howled, without basis in fact, for Sean and Grant being actively involved as instigators/conspirators in Kocis' murder. The evidence amassed by the prosecution does not bear you out in the least.
A case in point is your disagreement with Jim over his dubbed "Harlow Apology."
Actually BB Bryan Kocis made the connection around Labor Day 2006.
Thats when he matched DeWayneinSd with a customer on his Cobra records.
I had given myself away and mentioned I ordered Ethans College Buddies direct in 2002.
With my San Diego PO and being an early customer it was not hard.
Then Robert and Bryan tagged team Albert and I at Gay Torrents in October 2006 in what we referred to as JuicyGoo 2 until the moderators shut the discussion down because of their over the top venality.
On Jan 26 2007 Robert systematically deleted ALL the posts Bryan made on the forum, no surprise they did him no credit.
I outed myself numerous times.
BB you really had nothing to do with outing me. That was done by PC, another blogger who you have nothing to do with.
He outed me because I made a statement about his sources drying up. Apparently I hurt his feelings and he got mad.
So he posted our instant message conversations. oput of order I might add. He thought that it would upset me, He was wrong.
He did show his true colors when I posted his conversation with me. He revealed one of his sources and that he knew Joe and Harlow before the murder.
He is probably the one who told the police who they were. So BB do not take credit for what PC did.
BB you are still the blogger who attacks all who do not beleive what you say because you can not back up any of your claims with facts.
Actually Elm, PC revealed not that he "knew" Harlow and Joe, but that he lived one floor above them for a time.
And he revealed this over a year ago. So it's very old news, and was never a secret.
My very first comment using the "Prof" screenname was on Elm's blog. DK was claiming that he had installed Windows Vista on Bryan Kocis's PC and Elm and others claimed that this was a lie because Vista had not yet been publicly released.
My message pointed out that Vista had been in beta test for many months and so DK's claim was not necessarily a lie.
Elm and others responded by accusing me of being DK.
I responded to Elm by "outing" to him my true identity and requesting that he retract his accusation that I was actually DK posting under name.
This he refused to do.
At that point, I lost all respect for Elm's integrity.
Blogger PC has written, "'What happened to the dire consequences predicted? How does cooperation get stretched to dire consequences? Through long standing bias.'
Rob,
Predictions can sometimes turn out to be wrong. It certainly isn't like you haven't been wrong in the past."
But it must be problematic for you since your all buddies on the dark side of this murder now (Bryan Kocis's CABAL) What about the Kocis molestation victims PC? The dead ephebophobe is getting so much more attention in death that he more than deserved from the authorities in life.
"Dire consequences" were inferred and even seemingly desired for Sean and Grant. Why contribute to a rumor about Grant's broken wrist when it could have been answered with an interview? Interviews something objective seekers of the truth try for. That rumor really wasn't relevant to the court proceedings. Some could taste those "dire consequences" for Sean and Grant. Some summer fireworks or a hot time in PA for an Hah hah moment was promised. Seems to have shot off a bunch of duds. You had an inside track with the courthouse, an inside line with the DA. Why all the extensive lifts from the two local papers? Your routine was to write something original and quote minimally from news accounts. Now, it is the opposite. Why not talk about Melnick?
Prof. I find it funny that you use the same dail up IP that DK/KB uses. That is why I did not retract that statement. As far as respect being lost I never had any for you to start with.
As for you not having any respect for me I never asked for your respect. You lost all respect when you defended DK/KB in his lies.
I might have made some bad judements along the way but defending DK/KB is not one that I made.
Here are PC's own words from our IM conversation: 11:46 PM me: I've met them, but that was several years ago... again, when they claimed to have a penthouse at Hague Towers, when they didn't. I know, because I lived in 1 of 4 of the penthouses for 7 years. As to Harlow and Joe's guilt or innocence... that's up to a jury to decide, not me.
11:47 PM I prefer not to post my opinion... rather keep an open mind.
This is from his blog:Joe and Harlow are still "man of the month", and now they offer in-call service in "exclusive company penthouse". This "penthouse" was likely located at Hague Towers http://www.haguetowers.com/ . I lived in downtown Norfolk, VA at the time at Hague Towers, the only 'downtown' building in the area to offer penthouse accommodations. I lived in apartment 2101 (penthouse) from 1999-2004, and there were 3 other penthouses besides mine... I do recall seeing them in the building, but they never occupied one of the penthouses, they resided in apartment 2004, one floor below the penthouse apartments (02-08-2003):
He on the one hand says that he never met them and on the other he says that he did. So which is it did he know them or did he not know them?
Oh yeah "Prof" did I ever reveal "your true identity" no I don't think so.
So quit your bitching!
"Actually Elm, PC revealed not that he "knew" Harlow and Joe, but that he lived one floor above them for a time.
And he revealed this over a year ago. So it's very old news, and was never a secret."
Thank you Jim, and I bet if you asked Harlow and Joe who I was in the courtroom, they'd have no idea.
PC,
I am hardly unmentionable as you opined on another blog.
You have never been at a loss for words before.
Why the prediction of dire consequences? This hearing was a bust and reset and that train is going to be kept on the tracks and on time by His Honor, Judge Peter Olszewski.
Has Renee Martin's status changed with the court? She said it would over on PC's blog when she was first introduced there. I read of no motion by the prosecution so petitioning the court for that action.
DeWayne said, "the moderators shut the discussion down because of their over the top venality.
On Jan 26 2007 Robert systematically deleted ALL the posts Bryan made on the forum, no surprise they did him no credit."
To be more precise, I forced Bryan into admitting his advocacy of under age porn. A violation of Gay Torrents policy. That caused the thread to be locked and removed.
It took Robert a couple of weeks to get around to editing out all Bryans comments from GT. When he did get to it, it was too late. I had made copies of pertinent comments, in full color as they appeared the day they were made. Robert would remember Bryans last comments to me about septic tanks and industrial fans and my retort on the same subjects, a few days later, after Bryans death. I still have those. Some readers here also have copies.
While I am on the subject, Bryan and I had a lot of interaction prior to my joining GT. It was because of my prior interaction with Bryan that DeWayne had me join GT. At that time even the GT staff was anti-Brent. I had some words with the staff at first but now we are all on good terms. My Brent Corrigan Picture Gallery is the most visited of any gallery dedicated to a single individual and I havn't really touched it in over a year.
Robert would also remember the BrentAid chat room the day after the first 12 hour Brentaid performance. Brent was to make another short appearance and we were waiting. Bryan and Robert were making their smarmy remarks as one might expect. We were all three using aliases. They were talking to me. Robert did not know that until he read it here and now on Jim's blog.
Well, this thread is meandering off into strange tangents.
What is (was?) Gay Torrents?
"He on the one hand says that he never met them and on the other he says that he did. So which is it did he know them or did he not know them?"
The answer lies methinks, in the obvious difference between "met" and "know."
*yawn*
Cedric and Dewayne:
I did not say, claim or suggest I outed either of you. Rant at those who did.
Rob:
You impersonated a federal agent. You told many lies about Robert Wagenr being in a closet night of murder. The list goes on with you. I know who you are. Research paid off.
Jim:
Gay torrents are a way of uploading and downloading gay porn movies to anyone who knows how it is done. It is illegal. Dewaynes list of downloads include barely legal twinks bbacking and cum eating. He said it was so hot he had to buy it. Another was a barely legal boy tied up, gagged and getting a serious beating to within inches of his life. Dewayne shared that one from his 'collection'. I can provide prove to anyone who wants it. Now you know how I came up with the name Deperv.
Please do not censor this, you asked a question. Your getting a honest answer that can easily be backed up.
Dewayne and Albert:
Post them :) Am sure they'd make for interesting reading.
"Gay torrents are a way of uploading and downloading gay porn movies to anyone who knows how it is done. It is illegal."
And they socialized with Bryan and Robert while on the service? There is some message board to it, I take it?
BB exaggerates a bit but otherwise makes a succinct description of a torrent site. The original purpose may have been for sharing videos. Many sites do that now openly and freely. (X-tube, Porn-tube, GayWatch, JizzFlixx etc.) For certain that is still a part of what happens.
Our laws, lawyers, legislatures, courts, police etc. have simply not kept pace with technology. I can sit in DeWayne’s bedroom watching a video on his computer or I can sit in my bedroom watching a video on his computer.
Bryan used Gay Torrents to promote his films or restrict access to his videos, depending on his needs. A poor quality copy of TILABB may generate sales of the original high quality version. On the other hand, FMR was not something he really wanted promoted so he restricted the distribution on that through Torrents. All smart producers are members so they can monitor such activity.
The Gay Torrent site D and I belong to is successful because it respects the requests of producers and has well enforced standards of conduct in all areas.
Jim, there are conversation threads on hundreds of subjects like global warming, Canada, Blue Whale penises etc. there are game sections, personal blogs, and my favorite, picture galleries. I was allowed to start the Brent Corrigan Picture Gallery because I promised to monitor it for underage pictures, which I still do. Underage porn is not allowed. Also in this case, because it is a GAY porn site, pussy is also strictly prohibited. :)
Think of it as a mini-internet. A full service but relatively private site with an active and VERY visible (and VERY friendly) police force. Getting shut down is not a goal.
BB always proves the point, character assassination, just as stated at another blog.
We are still waiting for your proof of Sean and Grant's complicity. Long wait, there isn't any.
Thane said...
PC,
I am hardly unmentionable as you opined on another blog.
You have never been at a loss for words before.
Why the prediction of dire consequences? This hearing was a bust and reset and that train is going to be kept on the tracks and on time by His Honor, Judge Peter Olszewski.
Has Renee Martin's status changed with the court? She said it would over on PC's blog when she was first introduced there. I read of no motion by the prosecution so petitioning the court for that action.
Thane what are you now, Robs double, as for them doing anything they never had time to do anything in the court but disqualify joe and harlows attorneys, so should i have walked in the court room and say hey ppo , i think we need to discuss this, cause if we dont rob and thane are gonna be butt holes. Not. You need to get serious they never got past the entrance to this race horse never mind to the race...
Quoting Jim, "And they socialized with Bryan and Robert while on the service? There is some message board to it, I take it?"
"Socialized" means Dewayne and Albert used the chat feature at that site. The meaning is clear. Dewayne and Albert have proof, in writing, of Wagner collaborating with his now dead boss and paramour at a public site and not to be mean, but since BB raised the mudslinging about Dewayne and Albert regarding this site, do you have anything constructive to add, other than hurling a rock BB when bloggers question your motives?
For example, Rob states here "BB--You have howled, without basis in fact, for Sean and Grant being actively involved as instigators/conspirators in Kocis' murder. The evidence amassed by the prosecution does not bear you out in the least." I wondered about this remark. I went back through old posts. Rob and others called BB on his personal attacks and generalizations without proof. So Jim why don't you hold BB's feet to the fire?
OK, chat feature, check.
And everyone should veer away from name-calling on this blog too...thanks!
"And they socialized with Bryan and Robert while on the service?"
that is news to me :)
"Albert said...
BB exaggerates a bit..."
um no exaggeration on my part.
i can elaborate if asked.
"Has Renee Martin's status changed with the court? She said it would over on PC's blog when she was first introduced there. I read of no motion by the prosecution so petitioning the court for that action."
Thane,
First my apologies for confusing you with DK.
No motion or discussion was made because of the conflict that came up. PPO said himself that "the hearing wouldn't have even happened had he known of the issue".
I think it's fairly obvious to see that when the conflict issue came up, everything else went on hold.
Yep, that monkey-wrenched things for about three weeks.
It's funny, remember how conflict paranoid the defense was early on, with hysterical claims about "THE VICTIM'S LAWYER IS ASSIGNED TO BE HARLOW'S LAWYER, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"
This was never true, but pro-Harlow bloggers ran around saying this anyways, having conniption fits about it...until finally Harlow got himself conflict counsel too. With the chivalric support of the DA, I might add.
Then magically, when an obvious and REAL conflict popped up (Fannick) they are like, "conflict, what conflict???"
AND NOW THIS.
The defense is very selective in seeing conflicts, as you can see.
" jim said...
"He on the one hand says that he never met them and on the other he says that he did. So which is it did he know them or did he not know them?"
The answer lies methinks, in the obvious difference between "met" and "know.""
It's good to see that someone can understand the difference. :)
Blogger BB said...
Jim:
Gay torrents are a way of uploading and downloading gay porn movies to anyone who knows how it is done. It is illegal. Dewaynes list of downloads include barely legal twinks bbacking and cum eating. He said it was so hot he had to buy it. Another was a barely legal boy tied up, gagged and getting a serious beating to within inches of his life. Dewayne shared that one from his 'collection'. I can provide prove to anyone who wants it. Now you know how I came up with the name Deperv.
Please do not censor this, you asked a question. Your getting an honest answer that can easily be backed up.
What needs to be backed up??
Albert and I have never DENIED being a member of Gay Torrents, and get off your high moral horse unless you can tell me YOU HAVE NEVER ripped a CD or WATCHED an illegal video! Beside I recall YOUR Precious Bryan had a Healthy Upload and download ratio at GT how else did he ck out what Helix was up to.
As for what I may or may not have downloaded all you read were the comments I left in the shoutbox
And dear sweet BB what were you doing on gay torrents you know Army told me you were snooping(nice to know the owner)
He had a watch placed on my profile.
We did some embellishments as well
(Sex stories was fun)
He also asked if I wanted some of my discussion threads deleted (on Drug abuse and Rape)
No way I WANTED YOU TO SEE EVERYTHING!
So you would understand FULLY why I despised and Hated Bryan Kocis and Robert Wagner.
As for DePerv I assumed you were apping Bryan who called me DePain in San Diego since I was writing all the retail sites about Fuck me Raw and Take it like a Bitch having NO 2257 for Brent on File.
I got TLA & Movie Mountain to Refuse to carry Tillab
Finally BB I have NEVER denied being into BDS&M (Robert and Ben are as well)but there is something to be said for it being CONSENSUAL
Bryan and Robert Wagner never understood the concept..
Thats why they were RAPIST's and PEDOPHILES
15 year olds can consent shit!
Dewayne said:
Bryan and Robert Wagner never understood the concept..
Thats why they were RAPIST's and PEDOPHILES
15 year olds can consent shit!
Just a question Dewayne, are you saying that this justifies his murder? No matter what the man did he still didnt deserve to die, he may have deserved a long time in prison but to die, that is so wrong.
Madame that is why I can never forgive Joe and Harlow
Bryan cheated Justice with his death!
He deserved to serve the rest of his life in prison as a convicted Pedophile and Rapist.
I have ALWAYS said that.
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