JOSEPH KEREKES: We didn't go to the GayVN's I hope you know.
GRANT ROY: Oh, you didn't?
JOSEPH KEREKES: No, that was a bunch of hogwash, did you guys go?
GRANT ROY: People said, I thought they wrote...
JOSEPH KEREKES: ... I thought they, I was like everybody was speaking to Harlow...
GRANT ROY: ... they wrote that y'all were there.
JOSEPH KEREKES: Nobody was... we weren't there.
GRANT ROY: They wrote that y'all were there.
HARLOW CUADRA: We weren't there, they just wrote that we were there, I don't know.
A bit of background on this: Back in February of 2007, when we were all starved for info...ANY info...on the murder, Jody Wheeler published on his blog the semi-interview with Brent, Two Pair. In that semi-interview, Brent made the now famous statement that Harlow and Joe were "on the run."
Now, Two Pair was published by Jody on February 14, 2007...just four days after Harlow and Joe's house was ransacked by a SWAT team. They were, indeed, "on the run," hiding out from the law in south Florida at the time. Brent's statement to Jody was 100% accurate and truthful.
Then, in late February, the 2007 GAYVN Awards in San Francisco were held. And in the aftermath of that, came the Harlow and Joe misinformation campaign. And an incredibly successful campaign it was; we were all pretty much fooled by it. It is a great example of how a well placed strategic lie can totally derail the truth.
It began with small yet well placed anonymous comments on key porn blogs on February 25, the day after the GAYVNs; here is a post (from Jason Curious, IIRC) by "sanfransam" who as I've said before was almost certainly Harlow himself:
sanfransam said...And then there was this comment the next day, over on Gay Porn Blog:
anyone else see harlow @ the gay awards?
i did :)
He looked cute, and did not look like he was too worried about anything. Harlow did have on a sweet pair of nike dunks with his suit. maybe the sneakers where in case he had to make a run for it?
February 25, 8:37 AM
i saw Harlow at "W" crossing the lobby into the elevator moments later Brent Corrigan and some older man crossed the lobby into the elevator as well...did they fuck (Harlow & Brent) because the older man was carrying what looked to be a black Sony Camera caseAnd that was all it took, really. That, and a "confirmatory" post by mark @ boisrus:
hummm
i wonder how this movie turned out?
stay tuned lol
Posted by: dan at February 26, 2007 9:20 AM
Anonymous said...Like fools, we all bought this crap. Shortly thereafter, the story that Harlow was in attendance at the 2007 GAYVNs was widely accepted as gospel fact throughout the Kocisphere (Jason Curious, Elm, etc...); nary a doubt about the story was ever postulated by anyone, until PC made this section of the BBTs public.
Hi this is Mark again from www.boisrus.com here just confirming I sent a studly entorage to san fran (Harlow and Calvin) for gayvn just to mingle and to set alarms silent.
Harlow isnt on the run and actually has been filming in va beach for my new update to boybatter today with he and mason. :-)
Trent & Harlow have been escorting here ever since that night in question and before.
Im sorry I cant respond to any questions regarding investigations, my long time litigation lawyer says NO
but thanks for your warm welcome to this blog..that was suprising as I DO realize porn & escorting are two very different worlds.
Mark
February 25, 2007 9:00 AM
How did this lie manage spread so effectively? Well, one reason is that most of us out there are naturally trusting. When someone tells us something, in the absense of any clear danger signs, our first instinctive reaction is to believe.
Another was, I think, that there was a FEW people out there, who wanted to believe Harlow's lie because they instinctively wanted to DISbelieve Brent, in EVERYTHING he says. Just like fire spreads rapidly when the kindling is dry and crackly, a lie spreads like wildfire when the people you tell it to have a vested interest in believing it. And there were enough Brent haters out there who were dry brush for this lie to get completely out of control.
And Brent indeed did pay a heavy price for generously giving us bloggers one of the few items of accurate and useful information on the case in those early days. Because the Harlow GAYVN lie got so widely accepted, Brent was torn apart mercilessly by many commenteers for making that "on the run" statement.
And we Kocisphere bloggers? We were sidetracked for close to month due to the success of this lie! We did not find out about the SWAT raid until Barry Taylor (Harlow and Joe's old attorney/client...who's on schedule to be the star of my next Musings, heehee!) went into court to petition to get some of their stuff back. And in doing so, the story became news. And when the SWAT story broke on March 14...well, we here in the Kocisphere pretty much went nutzo. It was as if someone had tossed a hand grenade into a baby shower!
And if you notice Grant's reaction above, when he learns of this...he too is stunned at the magnitude of the deception Harlow and Joe were able to get away with: "People said, I thought they wrote...they wrote that y'all were there...They wrote that y'all were there!" Grant is stuttering and speechless at this...and LOL, who can blame him!?
So yeah, we were all badly fooled by yet another Harlowite lie.
But you know, we can use this experience in a positive way and learn from it. And what we need to learn is that the Harlowites are absolute masters of the art of deception. As you can see, not only do they know how to lie, but they know how to do it well. They will look you in the eye, and then tell you:
1) Harlow was at the GAYVNs;
2) Harlow was current on his debts before the arrest;
3) The coat is chinchilla;
4) Harlow and Joe did not murder Bryan Kocis; etc...
...and they WON'T EVEN BLINK.
So naturally, what we have to do in the future is instinctively disbelieve anything a Harlowite has to say about this case. Wait for anything they say to be verified from a reliable source first, and THEN consider believing it. They've shown such a propensity AND talent for lying, that for us to do otherwise would be reckless.
And not only that...I suspect they are now creating fake anti-Harlowite personas as a means of spreading disinformation. I guess since they realize now we are on to them, they are having to resort to this tactic...as I said, they got the art of deception down pat. As such, I'd be wary of johnnie-come-latelies to the Kocisphere right now, regardless of his purported bias.
Update:
Update 2: Off topic, but Brent has a new photo up on his latest blog post that looks strangely familiar...I wonder where he unearthed it from? :-)
31 comments:
they may be masters of deception where some of us bloggers are concerned, but not with law enforcement. the latter is what counts.
one blogger in particular was deceived by the murderers, or was he? hmmmm.
Part of it too was that people wanted to believe H/J were at GAYVN, that Harlow filmed a scene with Brent, that Brent and Grant were behind all of this. The list goes on.
It's more like a movie that way. Harlow and Joe's evil is easily understandable, from A to B to C.
Real life is real life. The capriciousness of this crime is far more unsettling -- as it should be.
I found it funny/odd how Elm put this-
"The real truth is Joe and Harlow are both idiots to get mixed up in all of this and for what"
What an odd/weird/strange thing to say-
kind of like elm STILL thinks people are stupid and buying any of the shit.
"This whole case is starting to get real funny"
yeah, elm- hilarious.
"The police know where I am and if they want proof but I don't have to pro[o]ve a god damn thing to any of you"
Okay, if I were elm I would call that a "rant to myself" as it does not look like many people care anymore.
Wouldn't a person such as elm, and being in elms shoes -just sort of "slink" into the background of this mess?
As jim intimated-
Bullshit is in High Gear!
"As jim intimated-
Bullshit is in High Gear!"
Lets say "hogwash" instead. I say we use Joe's own terminology for what they create.
Hogwash is in High Gear!
I do agree with this and yes Elm is just as bad, he does not know what to believe since he has been listening to so much bullshit from them. The information that he puts out is repatitious same ole thing every time except when he copied my kent doll post. Thats what happens when you try to be a believer instead of looking at the big picture. If they were so innocent do you think they would be still sitting there.
I consider them to be a bunch of shitpiles, sometimes you just haft to look through the flies.
Lol!!
Hogwash it is!!!
:)
Jim says
And not only that...I suspect they are now creating fake anti-Harlowite personas as a means of spreading disinformation. I guess since they realize now we are on to them, they are having to resort to this tactic...as I said, they got the art of deception down pat. As such, I'd be wary of johnnie-come-lately to the Kocisphere right now, regardless of his purported bias.
Are you trying to refer my blog as being a Harlowite, or am I misinterpeting this.
If you are I would love to hear about it.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
"This blog is for invited readers only"
again- LOL!!
Now, Ree, Jakester, brothers and sisters of Harlow,
maybe a family member of elm?
all have a private blog that they can read amongst themselves.
Priveleged info. there!!-
too funny!
Oh, that pic in Brent's latest post came from DJ Serpenthead's blog, as uncovered by Jim.
I wonder who got the precious invites to Elm's. I assume reasonable people had already crossed him off their lists
Hey Geoff Elmysterio does not exist
"Hey Geoff Elmysterio does not exist"
Not an unreasonable proposition, Elm. (A phoney surrogate rears his Hydra head.)
Ebony Woody said,
"Elm closed his blog down so that the authorities could check past posts and comments on his blog.
They don't want anyone to be able to delete their comments"
Ebony,
I am SO glad that you found out what was going on-
There really was a lot of very pertinent, urgent and important information on that blog regarding the case. Now that information is locked, and in the hands of the proper authorities I feel much safer and I know justice is being served, I feel safer already as does humanity as a whole, I am sure.
Thank you Ebony Woody for your service.
Whatever! (eyeroll...)
My Eyes rolled right out a my ed months ago!
Ebony Wood.....ROFL!
And I'm now Damon Kruezer's new lover boy!
How stupid does Elm think people are?
Elm can open his blog, he can close his blog.
He can post via his real name, he can post via sock puppets...it really doesn't matter.
When he decided to openly lie AND got caught, just like Harlow and Joe (this post being a perfect example), his lost his credibility for good.
He has no one to blame for his current woes but himself.
jim,
I was just having fun with mahogany I mean ebony wood.
Anyway you look at it, "don't ask, don't tell" is inherently flawed with bigotry, hate and discrimination.
It infers that there is something inherently wrong with being homosexual. It infers that homosexual men cannot control themselves when around other men, whether gay, bi or str8.
it's like a free get out of jail card as long as you don't tell anyone about it.
It provides for the soldier to offer service to this country, yet spits on that very same soldier for whom he really is.
I wonder if all the new recruits who have felony conviction histories and waivers of and for 1)sex crimes, 2)burglary,3)assault, 4)terrorists threats against this country 5)theft; are being asked to keep their mouths shut about all those waivers too. here
bud fox said...
Anyway you look at it, "don't ask, don't tell" is inherently flawed with bigotry, hate and discrimination.
It infers that there is something inherently wrong with being homosexual. It infers that homosexual men cannot control themselves when around other men, whether gay, bi or str8.
Bud that is the ONE bit of logic you never hear a response too...
Because of course the Haters believe Homosexuals are EVIL
Plain and simple
Beside ALL their arguments against Homos serving OPENLY in the armed forces are the same arguments we heard about blacks serving in an integrated military in the 40's
Where is our Truman today?
Where have all the "leaders" gone?
jim,
Ebony Woods feels that you and I were attacking him on this blog yesterday.??
Yes, I slaid him with my devastating "whatever" comment!
Mr. Ebony has a low pain threshhold methinks.
Jim Said......
"Yes, I slaid him with my devastating "whatever" comment!"
You see it's comments such as the one above which really just gripe me to no end. Why?
Well, because, it's simply NOT true. It's not reflectively true at all. And you know it Jim.
Fess up or delete your blog!
Had it been simply the "Whatever"
remark, everything would have been just fine.
But nooooo, you Jim, had to throw in the ever maliciously mocking, and powerfully condescending and personally painful "eyeroll", coupled with the "whatever" simply to show your personally viewed superiority over the situation and moment. Pfffft!
It's no wonder people hate you Jim. Have you NO decency or respect for anyone?
I fess up! :-)
VJ--
Is Ebony Woods anything like Musty Mahogany?
Bud Fox callously, but ever so astutely observes "But nooooo, you Jim, had to throw in the ever maliciously mocking, and powerfully condescending and personally painful "eyeroll", coupled with the "whatever" simply to show your personally viewed superiority over the situation and moment."
I like you. You're smart and funny.
budfoxx,
That was hysterical!
rob,
I like "Musty Mahogany" but
I want him to change his name to just Mahogany, or perhaps Mahogany Woods.
VJ--
Definitely. You certainly have a lively, exotic, and sensuous imagination! :)
budfoxx said, "Anyway you look at it, "don't ask, don't tell" is inherently flawed with bigotry, hate and discrimination."
No bud, some people are inherently flawed with bigotry, hate and discrimination. Don't Ask Don't Tell is a law that protects service members from the probing questions of those homophobes. That should remain law even after we make it totally legal for homosexuals to serve openly in the military. No supervisor should ever have the right to question a service member about their sexuality if that service member does not wish to discuss it.
Albert--
I agree completely with your views in your reply to BudFoxx. It is the safest and most respectful stance. If a man or woman is doing his/her best in performin the assigned duties, there is absolutely no reason to pry in one's private and personal life.
Albert said...."No bud, some people are inherently flawed with bigotry, hate and discrimination. Don't Ask Don't Tell is a law that protects service members from the probing questions of those homophobes."
Albert, you are, of course, absolutely correct on that point.
The fact, one of which I believe Dewayne eluded to earlier, is that such laws are required to serve in our military in the first place.
These laws, in and of themselves, demonstrate that the military supports the beliefs that there is something inherently wrong and flawed about homosexuals.
That in itself, fuels the very bigotry, hate and discrimination which exists not only in the military, but within society itself.
The military believes that openly gay men serving within it's ranks would have a deteriorating effect on morale and other such essential components which make up a strong military presence.
If this is to be accepted as truth, why not then simply throw out ALL background checks on EVERYONE enlisting and judge them solely upon their behavior while serving.
Convicted sexual offender? No problem. Just don't bring it up or do it while serving.
Convicted auto thief? No problem. Just don't bring it up or steal any of our tanks while serving.
You see, if it's simply about not telling who you really are and about your behaviors while in the ranks, why not simply let everyone and anyone enlist and apply the same standard of "Don't ask, Don't tell" to everyone?
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