Sunday, July 21, 2013

Victory Day 2013, Part Quatre

Update 34: And a bonus update. Having just learned of the recent difficulties PC has encountered with his publisher, I just want to state how saddened I am that it has come to pass.

It's particularly terrible, especially in light of the difficult road the and his co-author have gone through with the previous shady publisher, plus the weasels on various other websites which have stolen his images in the past without permission or even credit, to have to go through this nonsense now.

No one has worked harder on covering this case than PC, and no one deserves these sorts of headaches less. The fact that this is happening is a sad refection on the state of book publishing today.


Update 33: OK, we now arrive at the section about Joe, "the uncooperative witness".

I've already opined on this amazing incident earlier. From the perspective of those of us in the blog trenches back in 2009, following this trial live, this was a HUGE moment, quite literally the climax of the case. We'd been getting bits and hints from pro-Harlow sources for weeks about a big revelation that would knock our socks off, and set Harlow free...but it was a big secret! 'Just wait, you'll see!' they said.

Well, the big moment came, and...in the blink of an eye, Joe decided he wasn't going to go down in history as Harlow's patsy. Game over. It was obvious Harlow was now doomed.

Everyone's minds were blown at what had just happened...it was an actual Perry Mason/Matlock/LA Law moment, an eruption of unexpected court room drama which COMPLETELY steered the case in an inevitable direction. This sort of thing happens all the time on TV law dramas, but truth be told, occurs very rarely in real life. So overcome was I, that at the time of writing about it my usual tradition of a cutesy title for a post was set aside, and all I could think of for a title was my emotion at the time.

A couple of observations: First, the book mentioned that during opening statements "D'Andrea asked jurors to play close attention to evidence they would hear that implicated others, such as Joseph Kerekes, Grant Roy and Sean Lockhart in the murder of Kocis." But as the case went forward, no evidence was put forth implicating Sean and Grant. In fact, later when Harlow took the stand, he would flatly deny Sean and Grant had anything to do with it.

Thus it appears there was a shift in strategy shortly after the trial began, probably occasioned by having gotten an "agreement" from Joe to take all the rap. The blame Sean and Grant plans mentioned in opening statements were discarded, and they put all their eggs in the blame Joe basket. Fatally, as it turned out.

Second, there was IMO a VERY important incident which occurred when Joe made his big court room announcement, which does not seem to have made the book (or did it? I can't find it...). You can read about it here, and it's this: When Joe told the world he wasn't going to commit perjury for Harlow Cuadra, one of the jurors happened to be looking right at Harlow's face. This was the facial reaction he witnessed:
"Kerekes briefly appeared during the trial under a subpoena issued by Cuadra’s lawyers. When he took the witness stand, Kerekes opted not to testify on Cuadra’s behalf. 
“Harlow gave (Kerekes) a look to kill,” Stavitzski said."
BOOM. And that's a wrap on the whole question of who was dominating who in the H-J relationship.

I mentioned earlier there was a key bit of evidence which disproves, conclusively, the notion that Harlow was this innocent Stockholm-Syndromed waif dominated into participating in a murder plot. And this is it! Here, for a split second, Harlow gets surprised...and in that split second the mask drops. Gone is the meek and mild Harlow mask. Here is the real face of Harlow, fangs bared and giving Joe a look of rage and anger that would kill.

For all those of you who still believe in Harlow's innocence, it's time to fact reality folks: Stockholm Syndrome victims have not been known to shoot their captors "a look to kill" when they don't do things as promised.

Anyways, you can certainly imagine how this keen-eyed juror observation of the momentarily unmasked Harlow influenced deliberations. It certainly influenced my opinions, when I read of it...all remaining doubts I had as to Harlow's culpability in this crime vanished. 


Update 32: Lockhart and Roy and the California tapes. Now, this observation is not about an episode in the book, but rather, about an episode not in the book. One that I was kind of hoping to see more on, but did not.

Concerning the admission of the tapes, the book notes there was a defense request that the transcript should be considered by the jury merely as a "guide" to the tapes. Olszewski declined this request. In fact, serious students of this blog may recall a specific instance, in fact, where Olszewski ruled the jury HAD to consider the transcript the authoritaive version of the tapes.

Back when the trial was ongoing, we were blessed with the presence of commenteer Quickysrt as an on-site court room observer. He shared with us a number of very interesting observations, including this amazing one here:




"This is because there is a name mentioned on the tape that the court does not want to bring into this scandal." Indeed.

Here's what I believe MIGHT going on. As you all know, Joe bragged when he was "mark@boisrus" that Harlow had a big name U.S. Senator as a client; Justin Henley testified under oath as to the same. However, the name of this purported U.S. Senator has never been revealed.

Let's assume that this Senator is real. For purposes of this discussion, lets refer to him by a fake name, so as not to cast any unjust aspersions on an actual U.S. Senator. Lets call him Sen. Finn C. Rayham.

Now, it goes without saying Finn C. Rayham doesn't want the fact he's been banging Harlow Cuadra to get out. So naturally (as we have already speculated earlier), he backs Harlow's defense to the tune of $70 grand, and no doubt keeps Joe's canteen fund well stocked as well.

Now, if the good Senator Finn C. Rayham's name is also mentioned on the BBTs, notice that EVERYONE involved in the case has a desire to see that mention suppressed. The defense for the obvious reason that they want the money to keep flowing. And the prosecution and Olszewski most certainly do not want the case to become an even bigger media circus than it already is! The situation was bad enough as is, without the major U.S. tabloids descending on Luzerne Country as well.

So, it is not far fetched to imagine that a motion was made in secret, in chambers, which Olszewski approved, suppressing that name on the BBT transcript, and also instructing the bailiff to turn the volume down to inaudible levels when that portion of the tape is played to the jury and the audience. Just EXACTLY as described by Quickysrt.

Again, this is an area I wish the book had delved into, either to confirm OR debunk it. It is certainly one of the major enduring, intriguing, and unanswered mysteries of this case, IMO.


Update 31: "Getting Macias cooperation with the investigation and for the trial of Cuadra would prove challenging..."

You know, it's funny that the prosecution had no problem summoning close friends and allies of Harlow to the stand to give incriminating evidence against him, such as Joseph Ryan, Nep, Mitch Hal(l)ford, Justin Hensley, Andrew Shunk etc etc etc, but when they tried to call Kocis long time friend and business attorney Sean E. Macias to the stand, they had to drag him kicking and screaming and dragging his fingernails to the court house.

You would think he'd be eager to help a murdered friend's family seek justice. But nooo. Makes you wonder why not, doesn't it?

Tell you what folks, let enter the realm of speculation for a moment. Lets assume that Harlow was telling an accurate version of events when he described on the BBTs how he sat listening in on phone calls in Kocis house, while Kocis, Macias, and Lee Bergeron discussed using the settlement as a tool to separate Sean and Grant, to screw them over and basically dismember LSG. In other words, that the whole settlement agreement, and indeed, the whole lawsuit itself, was an elaborate fraud.

That assumption in place, notice this puts the surviving criminal conspirators, Macias and Bergeron, in quite a pickle. If Melnick were to ask them under oath to verify Harlow's account of those pre-murder phone conversations (in order to prove Harlow was indeed in the house with Kocis, like he said on the BBTs), they'll be faced with three unpleasant alternatives: 1) admit in a court of law to conspiracy to commit fraud; 2) plead the 5th; or 3) commit perjury.

Also notice that Macias could not claim attorney-client privilege in this situation. Why, you ask? Because Harlow was in the room, listening to the calls! For ACP to attach, the communication must be confidential. And the presence of a 3rd party destroys confidentiality, and renders attempts to label the communication as ACP null and void.

As things turned out in real life, Melnick never did engage Macias in this line of questioning (perhaps by pre-arranged agreement?). But in any case, I think it's all quite clear why getting Macias' cooperation was so "challenging."


Update 30: Key pieces of evidence: "Retrieved receipts would show the couple purchased...Jet-Alert caffeine tablets..."

One theory that's always been bandied about in this case, from the day of their arrest onwards, was that Harlow and Joe were meth users. After all, such a drug habit is not unknown in the gay porn culture, and the erratic behavior associated with it would certainly go a long way towards explaining how such a hair-brained murder scheme ever got off the ground.

I think now, however, we can safely discard this theory. Had this been a drug they indulged in with any regularity, there would have been no need to purchase caffeine tablets at Wal-Mart.

On a side note, it is fascinating to me that Wal-Mart can track the sales of a particular item (such as lighter fluid) at all 5,700 of their stores on any given day.


Update 29: Chapter 10 starts off with a humdinger of a topic, Joe's plea deal.

First just a bit of background of the moment as I recall it. Up to this point, the party line of the Harlow and Joe supporters had been they were 100% innocent, and no plea deals, ever! This was oft repeated on their respective blogs as well. So, when the news of the plea deal broke, with no warning to their loyal supporters, the dismay in their camp was palpable.

The fact that the terms Joe got were so horrible only confirmed that they indeed must have been involved in the murder, and all the fanciful stories such as Harlow walking into the house, smelling smoke, and then leaving without investigating further were thus rudely cast aside.

An entire cinematic production, which portrayed Harlow as a poor innocent waif and Joe as a loving husband, went in a heartbeat from a useful propaganda tool to a huge embarrassment (indeed, it was used by Melnick to impeach Harlow, a fact that I find ticklishly amusing to this day).

And although it wasn't immediately apparent at the time (although obvious now in hindsight) this was the magic moment a new batch of stories began to be crafted, theoretical tales which put ALL the blame on Joe.

Anyways, this is the first mention in the book of any plea negotiations (which if you notice, were initiated by the prosecution), which leads us to assume that there were no plea talks at all prior to this point. In other words, up until now Harlow and Joe's blogs were a correct statement of their no-plea-deal positions at the time.

I mention this because a core belief of mine has always been that Harlow and Joe were foolish not to use whatever public defenders they happened to have on hand at the time and FROM DAY ONE begin aggressively seeking a plea deal. That was their big mistake. Harlow and Joe had only one bit of leverage in plea negotiations, and that was to spare Luzerne County the trouble and expense of a hugely expensive trial. And the longer they waited, and the more of that expense the county began to expend, the more they frittered away their one and only bargaining chip.

Had Joe waited any longer, the best deal he might have gotten would have been two ceremonial last meals instead of one.

On the other side of that spectrum, I mentioned in my blog's conclusion a similar stabbing murder in Luzerne County about that same time, where a much-less-savory defendant managed to plead quickly and early to a 20-40 year sentence. Had Harlow done the same he could have conceivably been a free man at 46, with half his life still ahead of him.

I wish the book had probed more into the question of why Harlow and Joe decided on their foolish "no plea deals, ever" policy, and who (if anyone) had an outside hand in influencing that policy. That to me is one of the big unanswered questions in this whole saga.

172 comments:

will g said...

Anyways, this is the first mention in the book of any plea negotiations (which if you notice, were initiated by the prosecution)

Just giving that section a quick read I do not notice that the plea negotiations were initiated by the prosecution. Where does it say that?

BTW thanks for giving notice that you were starting a new post, so I didn't get left behind this time...

jim said...

I'm inferring that from the fact that "A day earlier, a similar plea deal reportedly offered to Cuadra was rejected." So, I'm guessing both plea deals were offered by the prosecution more or less simultaneously.

Harlow and Joe's refusal to take the lead on this was their undoing IMO.

will g said...

Oh, yes I suppose that's the correct inference, though it's not definitive. It's somewhat puzzling, if the pleas were offered on the prosecution's initiative, that they waited so long. You'd think they would have done it much earlier, to save everyone the time and expense of preparing for trial.

Anonymous said...

Jim:

I seem to remember that at the time, it was discussed that Joe felt that if he went to trial, he would get the death penalty. It was also discussed that Harlow might have preferred a death sentence rather than life without parole.

Why the state waited so long? we do not know if the offers had been made earlier and then revived by the prosecution in a pretrial conference with the Defense Counsels.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

In the case of the other pre-trial plea deal, I would strongly suspect that the criminal was native to Luzerne County, a local boy.

As we know, Harlow and Joe were not natives. Consequently, the Prosecution would never have offered those terms to out of stater.

Also this was a trial with some national attention. As in these cases, people seeking to make a name for themselves as law and order proponents would want to make the most of the events by having a trial or at least giving it good to those "outsiders" who came into town to commit a crime. It must be remembered that the District Attorney is an elected position as is the Judge with elections being scheduled shortly after the trial was actually held.

This may explain why a more lenient plea deal was not offered.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

Since none of us believes that Joe stayed in the motel while Harlow visited Bryan, we have to dismiss the rest of the plea statement as non-dispositive.

The fact that Melnick did not call Joe to the stand as a witness, is evidence that he knew that the statement was mixture of half truths and malarky. The statement was taken and entered into the record solely so that Joe would have no grounds to recant his plea or to appeal afterwards. The judge is also required to interview a defendant making a plea deal to insure that the Defendant understands what is pleading away, and to insure that the Defendant is in fact guilty of the crime(s) to which he is pleading to. As long as it satisfied those points, Joe could have added that he took a side trip to moon while Harlow was out, and neither the judge, prosecutor or the public would care.

Anonymous One

will g said...

Eh, I wouldn't say "none of us" believe Joe stayed at the motel. I know that's been the general consensus on the blogs, but is there really any evidence that he didn't? Or is it just the belief that Harlow couldn't have ransacked the house all by himself? Lying about staying at the motel seems pointless, and no I don't subscribe to the theory that crazy Joe just automatically lies about everything.

I for one believe virtually everything Joe said in his plea agreement. He didn't know exactly what evidence the state had, but he did know if he was caught in a provable lie the plea deal could be withdrawn.

Albert said...

"Why the state waited so long?" We do not know the State di wait. Given the domino chain of attorneys the defendants had, the possibility may have been suggested earlier. A defense attorney would first need to see the evidence against his client and evaluate possible strategies before considering a plea.

Luzerne County would be primarily interested in saving costs. An early plea would be to their advantage. Where the criminals came from would be irrelevant. The bottom line would still be on their ledger.

Joe did not need to go in Bryans house while he was alive but he would have a vested interest in removing computers, cameras, tapes and model records. Staying peacefully in a cheap hotel would not serve any purpose if he intended to stay with his boy. It would be opportune for him to wait until Bryan was completely 'pacified' before going in for the good stuff.

Anonymous said...

given the level of corruption involving public officials in luzerne county at the time, i seriously doubt that luzerne county waited to offer settlements to Cuadra and Kerekes. the fact that Conahan announced his intent to retire as President Judge on a Sunday before cuadra and kerekes were arrested indicated Conahan / Luzerne County was running for cover even before Cuadra and Kerekes got to Luzerne County.

What else could Conahan have been afraid of at the time? the fed investigation was not yet even being talked about.

jim said...

Well, like I said before, I wish we had a bit more solid info on the history of plea offers in this case. We are led to infer this was the first instance, but only because no others are mentioned.

A-1 seems to want to put the blame on the prosecution for any lack of early pleaing, despite numerous blog entries by both Harlow and Joe declaring "No plea deals, ever."

Barring any substantial new facts to the contrary, we have to assume all the foot-dragging was on the defendants side, due to a wildly overoptimistic assessment of the odds at trial.

jim said...

And one other dynamic to the Joe plea that I meant to mention in my main post but forgot: I think a big reason why Joe took the prosecution plea deal and Harlow did not is that, unlike Harlow, prison life agrees with Joe.

I base this on a lot of factors, such as how chummy he got with the various jail house informants, as well as a sense I get from the various Joe interview quotes in the book which hint to me he is at peace with himself right now.

Joe's got a roof over his head, 3 square meals a day, exercise, companionship of like-minded individuals...from his perspective, given what we know of his personality, what's not to like?

What he would not have liked is 10-30 years on death row. THAT was something to be avoided, as solitary accommodations there were much less attractive, not even taking into account that whole death thing.

I think he came to the realization, when the plea offer came, that maybe this was the best thing for him, all things considered.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if he picked up his religious calling back again, and became an inmate minister.

jim said...

More on this point when we get to Chapter 13.

will g said...

Sigh.

given the level of corruption involving public officials in luzerne county at the time

The "level of corruption" involved exactly TW0 public officials. TWO. That's actually a pretty LOW level. Look at Chicago. Or Albany. Luzerne County was squeaky clean by comparison.

Anonymous said...

Jim:

I purposely said that the Prosecution may have offered a plea deal earlier. I never blamed them for not offering "life without parole" earlier.

I also think that the polical climate in Luzerne County would have prevented them from offering anything less than Life without Parole as a sentence. After all they are elected officials and they do have to respond to public opinion.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

Jim:

How prisoners think they will react to a prison and how they actually function in the system are two different things.

While Harlow desparely wishes to be free (your comments about how he opens up on the Black Beach being spot on) he is also the more passive of the two. My guess is that he is a model prisoner, adapting well to the strict prison discipline. In fact, he may be the type that needs a structured life style which is why he stayed with Joe.

Joe on the other hand is a bossy, ego-centric, manic-obsessive conniver. One only has to remember his outbursts in the court proceedings, and his calls (three time in less than a minute). The amazing thing is that he is still alive and not killed in a prison brawl. (Of course being a coward and backing down when faced with a person bigger and meaner than him, may explain his survival). Like Bryan Kokis he could turn on and off his charm, but by now his cell mates (I am sure he has gone through a few by now) would strongly disagree with your assessment of him.

I also doubt that Joe enjoys the company of like-minded individuals. He much prefers people he can boss around, and those cell mates are unlikely to be very submissive.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

While I think that Luzerne County is fairly corrupt, in order for that corruption to affect the verdict in this case, it requires either
1) The prosecution altering, surpressing or manufacturing evidence that did not exist.
2) That the prosecution tampered with the jury pool to insure that a guilty verdict would occur.
3) That the prosecution or the judge was personally involved in the affairs of the decedent.
4) That the prosecution or judge would materially benefit (financially) from Harlow's convictions.
5. That the prosecution or judge was unfit to prosecute or hear the case.

To date, none of these events have been shown, and therefore other corruption in Luzerne County did not affect the outcome in this case.

If Harlow is to win his appeal, he must show either reversiable error in his case, new evidence or convince a court that the evidence presented was insufficient for a jury to convict on that charge, or that the court lack subject matter juridiction over the specific charge. Even then, the judge(s)hearing the appeal maybe able to cure any defects not by ordering a new trial but by dismissing the particular charge.

For Harlow to have the use of the electronic device charge dismissed would be a very small victory if that was the only relief granted.

Anomymous One

will g said...

May I remind you that Harlow has already lost his appeal? "If Harlow is to win his appeal" makes it sound like it's coming up. The only thing that's coming up is that November petition hearing, which excludes any matters that have already been argued in his appeal.

The only avenue for appeal he has left is in federal court, and there has been absolutely no indication that will be happening.

will g said...

Yes A-1, you are right on the money about how the supposed corruption in Luzerne County is irrelevant to this case. I'd just also like to say that in my previous response to A-2, I incorrectly minimized the number of public officials who have been brought up on corruption charges there in the recent past. But they are all rather minor bribery charges of mostly very low-level public servants. And needless to say, they have zero to do with this case.

Anonymous said...

what happened to the author? always assumed he'd end up in a tower with a rifle (or in a shack mailing out letter bombs)

Anonymous said...

Will

perhaps I should have said for Harlow to win any appeal he would have to ....

I consider this petition for relief to be a type of appeal.

Anonymous One

will g said...

Yes A-1, except the issues you brought up, such as reversible error, are not being argued in the petition. Harlow doesn't get two bites of the apple on matters that were already argued, and rejected. The petition deals only with his lawyers' supposed incompetence.

will g said...

BTW, if you read this article about a recent Supreme Court decision, it appears that in most cases there's a one-year deadline, from the date of conviction, for filing an appeal in federal court. (The decision amended that only in cases where there's extremely compelling new evidence.) So as far as any more appeals happening after the petition hearing, it seems Harlow is SOL.

Anonymous said...

Will:

The petition by Fannick raises a lot more than the lawyers incompetence so it would appear that Pennsylvania has not adopted the Texas rule mentioned in the NY Times Article that you cite.

However, most habeus corpus cases require an exhaustion of state remedies, and we know any review by a court is likely to take years, therefore a one-year statute of limitations would be a bit harsh UNLESS the rule requires the one year to begin running after the exhaustion has taken place.

Supposedly Fannick got a postponement in hearing because of NEW INFORMATION received, so there is the possibility that the Federal Courts could still hear the case if an unfavorable ruling occurs in the present review.

To be honest, Harlow needs fresh evidence (not presented at trial) to succeed. That evidence needs to be presented by a witness other than Harlow. Even if there was reversible error (such as the unedited version of Harlow working out and then masturbating being presented to the jury), the local court will bend over backwards not to order a new trial unless some new exculpating evidence is offered.

Anonymous One

will g said...

A-1, I linked that NY Times article because of the first decision, about the filing deadline, not the second one. That one, though it coincidentally involves petitions arguing ineffective assistance of counsel, actually is irrelevant to our discussion, as it has to do with defendants who can't afford lawyers to file the petition. Obviously that's not an issue for Harlow, as he has Melnick. Scroll down to Section 101 here for the federal law mandating the one-year deadline for filing in federal court.

There is NOTHING in the petition that does not directly relate to the performance of Harlow's lawyers. That is the only issue that Melnick is allowed to argue in this hearing. Everything else has already been litigated in the appellate courts.

Anonymous said...

Will:

Thank you for providing the pertinent statute. Look at Section 101 (d)(2) where it says:
The time during which a properly filed application for State Post-Conviction or other Collateral Review with repsect to the pertinent judgment or claim IS PENDING SHALL NOT BE COUNTED towards any period of limitations under this subsection. Since this collateral review to lower court has been filed, Harlow has a little more time to go the Federal District Court if he loses this appeal. He may not have a full year because from the time that the appelate court denied his appeal to the time that he filed this petition would count.

Also you made a slight mistake in the last comment, you substituted Melnick for Fannick as Harlow's counsel. Somehow, I do not think Melnick will be representing Harlow in this case, but if he did, Jim would have a field day with this.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

Will:

Courts will usually hear what they want to hear. Since there is no jury, the court often finds it easier to let counsel say what they want, and then decide if it is pertinent.

Also the appeal did not exhaust all of the potential issues. For one thing the presentation of the Harlow Workout Tape (especially if it has included the masturbation scene at the end) was not mentioned previously when discussion of the appeal was. At the appeal level the emphasis was on voiding the Black Beach Tapes, and the panel of judges would not necessarily review any of the other grounds.

As I have stated before I feel that the introduction of the tapes (Audio portion only)qualified as the best evidence rule. The video portion on the other hand (Harlow and Sean putting on a show for the jury) was irrevelent to case, and potentially prejudicial to Harlow. If I was the judge I would not have allowed the video portion to be shown.

Anonymous One

will g said...
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will g said...

Yes Fannick, not Melnick, lol.

You seem to be correct about the deadline, I guess he has some time after the petition. I don't know how he'll pay for it though, as the state won't pay Fannick for a federal appeal, as it almost certainly has been for the state appeals.

If Fannick didn't cover something in the appeal that you feel he should have, that's just Harlow's tough luck. No matter how lenient you think the judge might be, that's not what this hearing is about, and I will stand by my assertion that such an argument will not be allowed. There is a PA statute, referred to in the petition, that excludes any matter other than the ineffective assistance of counsel issue from being litigated in this hearing.

Since neither of us are lawyers (I assume), let's just table this for now and see what happens.

will g said...

OK slight correction, that isn't a PA statute that Fannick refers to in the petition, rather it's a PA Supreme Court decision that excludes the ineffective-assistance-of-counsel issue from the direct appeal, relegating it to the PCRA petition.

Here is a complete list of the issues that are allowed to be argued at the PCRA hearing. Though it does include things other than ineffective assistance of counsel, it does not allow for anything remotely like you're suggesting/hoping might be allowed.

Anonymous said...

fannick, the lawyer who got a man caught with dead bodies in his front yard off with only a conviction for abusing a corpse, has raised issues he thinks can result in a new trial for cuadra.

given the number of lawyers cuadra went through and the alleged limited number of death penalty certified lawyers in luzerne county, it is possible that at least one of cuadra's lawyers wasn't death penalty certified.

"Flora assisted attorney Bill Ruzzo as the main defense attorneys because both are death penalty certified by the state judicial system. It’s a policy in the Public Defender’s office and recommended by the American Lawyers Association to have two death-penalty certified lawyers work together in a case in which the defendant could face the death penalty".

Anonymous said...

Jim:

Was the Walmart purchases introduced as evidence at the trial?

I recall that there was discussion of Joe purchasing a knife, lighter fluid, condoms at Walmart and this cafeine substance? Surely if this existed, Melnick would have introduced this evidence to go along with the other knife purchase.

On the other hand, the only way Walmart could trace a purchase (other than the clerk remembering Joe and what he purchased) would be a credit card purchase. CASH purchases (and these are not expensive items) would be untraceable. But the credit card receipt would show Joe and Harlow in the Wilkes-Barre area at the time of the crime and thus relevent evidence. So was this evidence introduced at trial? and if not WHY?

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

I would agree that both Joe and Harlow were not meth users. This is a highly addictive substance, and there is no evidence has been shown of them crashing after their arrest.

Of course it is my opinion that Joe is so crazy that he did not need any substance to make him go frantic enough to stab Bryan 28 times after he nearly decapitated him. All he needed was some pschological trigger.

Anonymous One

jim said...

"Was the Walmart purchases introduced as evidence at the trial?"

Yes, testimony from Scott Walsh, security manager at the Wilkes-Barre Wal-Mart. $139 in purchases by CC on the morning of the murder.

will g said...

Update 30:

(You've already started discussing this update, but I still like to note it in the thread for clarity...)

I think the reason the meth-head theory got such traction is because people were searching for an explanation for why they were so unbelievably, jaw-droppingly STUPID, and there's no more glaring example of that than the fact that they used a credit card to make the $139 Walmart purchase. (BTW it's Walmart, not Wal-Mart, despite what the book says.) A-1 astutely points out that if they'd paid cash, that purchase would have been untraceable and a key piece of evidence against them would have been lost. Here are two people who kept a huge amount of cash in their home, yet they use a credit card to make such an incriminating purchase? "This is your brain on drugs," as the ad says.

Now this will shock A-1, but I think the prosecutors, and the book, are actually unfair to Harlow when it comes to the lighter-fluid purchase. Unlike the pawn shop, there is no security-camera footage of this purchase, so we have no idea if both of them were at Walmart. It's POSSIBLE Harlow had no part in it. Yet the book, and by inference the prosecutor, repeatedly says they both made the purchase, even though nobody at Walmart could identify them. I PRESUME Harlow's attorneys hammered that point home on cross-examination of the Walmart employee. If they didn't, maybe Fannick has a point about their incompetence.

Jim, you skipped over one of the most interesting sections in this chapter, on page 204, subheaded Joe's testimony offers Harlow no hope, wherein Joe relates to Stoner what Harlow told him about how he killed Kocis. Amusingly, the authors take it upon themselves to debunk the part of Harlow's story about Kocis talking as his throat was being cut. But I do believe this is exactly what Harlow told Joe. It's too bizarre for Joe to have made it up. It's also telling that Joe thinks Harlow's brutality was, at least in part, Harlow displacing his anger at HIM.

Anonymous said...

I must assume that Joe's signature was on the credit card slip. Now comes the interesting point, why the purchase of condoms unless at that time Harlow and Bryan were to have sex according to their plan. One has to assume that Harlow and Joe did not use condoms when they had sex.

The other question comes to mind was the lighter fluid used to start the fire. If memory serves me right a large plastic container (to carry a gallon of gasoline) was found melted in Bryan's living room. As I recall lighter fluid in sold in small metal containers (6 or 8 ounces), so perhaps the lighter fluid is another red herring.

Please note that both Harlow and Joe smoked cigars so carrying a lighter would not be a big deal.

The key point of this evidence is that it proved that they were in Luzerne County not at Virginia Beach,

As to me being shocked, we all know that PC had a good source for his information (and it was not the defense teams). It was only reasonable for him to reflect the opinions of the information being given to him, and for the book to repeat that information.

For the record I believe that Harlow was in the Walmart, but not necessarily with him at the entire time. Most likely Joe dropped him off at the Camping Goods section while he made his purchases. Harlow also knew better than to question Joe about any purchases Joe made.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

Again because Joe says something outrageous, we have to accept that it must be true?

Does this apply to when Joe says he is a serial killer or when Joe says that Harlow is telling the truth? To me it sounds like Joe spinning an unbelievable tale to Stoner to see how credulous Stoner would be.

Note what Harlow supposedly said to Sean " he went quickly", or what was said by him on the Black Beach Tapes "then my guy came around, and thing went crazy". Both of those statements would belie Joe's story about what Harlow told him.

Unfortunately, everything that comes out of Joe's mouth is open to question and has to be discounted unless verified by outside evidence.

Anonymous One

Of course when Stoner spoke to Joe it was after Harlow's conviction. Joe must have seen Harlow's face when Joe left the courtroom and rightly concluded that Harlow might have some animus against him.

jim said...

The thing to remember here is Harlow and Joe always described an imaginary third person when talking about the murder to Sean and Grant. Keep this fact in mind at all times and it will explain much.

During the Le Cirque dinner, it was that they knew someone that could make Bryan go to Canada.

On the phone call to Sean after the murder: "It looks like my guy went a little overboard."

One the BBTs: "Then my guy came around, and thing went crazy."

This "guy" never existed. He's an imaginary hitman Harlow and Joe used when talking about the murder to Sean and Grant, presumably to protect themselves somewhat, and because they probably felt awkward coming right out and saying in a conversation that they were going personally kill someone for them in cold blood.

Absolutely nothing more should be read into those statements.

will g said...

The gas tank found on the porch is a red herring, it must have belonged to Kocis. The fire marshal concluded the fire was started by lighting a small pile of combustible materials behind the love seat. There was no gasoline detected in the house. I don't know where you get the information about them smoking cigars, but the idea that they bought lighter fluid for a lighter is silly. Yes, it's just a horrible COINCIDENCE that their lighter needed fluid on the same day Kocis' house burnt down. Darn, those two have the worst luck! BTW the Walmart employee said it was the only container of lighter fluid the chain sold that day in the entire country.

I believe Harlow alone knifed Kocis, so I tend to believe what Joe says Harlow told him about it. My point wasn't about Joe's general trustworthiness, my point was that even though the book goes out of its way to consult experts who said it would have been impossible for Kocis to have talked while his throat was being slashed, I believe that is what Harlow told Joe, for whatever reason. There is an implication in the book that Joe must be lying about that detail, but if anyone was lying I think it was Harlow, not Joe. For all I know Harlow hallucinated Kocis saying "Why are you doing this to me?" Or maybe he intuited it from his expression. Or maybe he just said it to get some sympathy from Joe about how horrible it was. Who knows.

Of course you think Joe is lying about everything concerning the actual murder, so it stands to reason you wouldn't believe this either.

Anonymous said...

Jim:

If one has a steady boyfriend, one can refer to him as "my guy". So when Harlow was refering to the person who then came around as my guy, a reference to Joe as that person is not that far-fetched. I admit that HARLOW always was careful (until the trial) not to incriminate JOE.

The Le Cirque quote was said by JOE not Harlow (if Grant's testimony was exact). JOE was never careful about incriminating HARLOW especially when it clear him.

That guy existed and his name was either JOE, MARK or TRENT depending on whose personality Joe was assuming that day.

ANONYMOUS ONE

Anonymous said...

I got the information about the Cigar Smoking from HARLOW's blog when he talking about his beloved car. The line was that Hensley and him were working on the car, and afterwards they sneaked into Joe's Office and smoke some of his cigars (I supposed as a reward to Hensley for helping Harlow out with the car work). The blog was written about the time Harlow was still in the Virgina Beach Jail. AS A NON-SMOKER I am always sensitive to someone talking about the joys of cigar smoking.

If the gasoline can was a red herring, why did PC put it into the opening chapter of his book as proof of arson?

However Joe could have used the lighter fluid to accelerate the fire, or the lighter to light the gasoline if that was what used.

Getting back to Bryan "talking" after his throat was cut, there was discussion in this blog about noises that a dying body makes. Moreover if you shove a knife into the stomach of the dead person, any air in the lungs could be compressed an exhaled over the severed trachia, sort of like a macarbre "bagpipe". Now if Joe is there doing the knifing, he could have easily heard those noises and misinterpeting them as speaking causing him to rapidly and continually stab Bryan again causing more noise until all of the air was expelled. Then all Joe has to do is say this is what Harlow told me.

Keep in mind Harlow is not the greatest relater of details (witness his performance at his trial). But, you are assuming that Harlow is quite concise and detailed when telling Joe afterwards. Think of all the details that Joe has repeated from "WHAT HARLOW SAID TO HIM".
I would say the accuracy of the events would be significantly improved if Joe was present when these events were taking place.

Anonymous One

will g said...

If the gasoline can was a red herring, why did PC put it into the opening chapter of his book as proof of arson?

He correctly included it because it was included in the police testimony given at trial describing the scene. It is NOT included as "proof of arson," the fire marshal's proof of arson was as I described above, having nothing to do with the gasoline can.

will g said...

The blog was written about the time Harlow was still in the Virgina Beach Jail.

So you're saying Harlow had internet privileges at the jail? I believe all the blogging after their arrest was done by Renee.

Albert said...

Gasoline would have been a stupid choice as a starter fluid. A little lighter fluid perhaps. They did not need the house to explode or even burn quickly. Just get it going and drive away.

The term 'my guy' can also refer to a persons violent mode. Not the way he normally conducts himself but piss him off and his guy will take action.

I think back to that horrible video of an American being slowly beheaded by some muslims. That cut was made to allow him to feel maximum pain and scream. That is not how Bryan was cut. He may well have been talking and continued to exhale while blood filled his airways. The cut would have been done from behind and quickly. The stabbing would have been a continued adrenaline drive by 'the guy'.

jim said...

Harlow would not have referred to "my guy" while Joe was standing right next to him, that makes no sense.

Can you cite any instances, on Harlow's blog, writings, court appearances or otherwise, where he clearly said "my guy" in reference to Joe? Those 3 instances are the only times I know of. And taken together, they are clearly referring to an imaginary hitman.

You have to admit, if you're pitching an idea to murder someone, it's better to describe the plan as having some professional muscle behind it, rather than as two amateurs with a knife.

Anonymous said...

Jim:

Read your remarks. One part of a couple refering the other couple in a conversation with a third party. Of course it makes sense.

As to Harlow referring to Joe: Harlow was always a lot more careful as to what he said. {That would not be too difficult with Joe as a comparision) So naturally he would not state Joe killed Bryan. Rather he said to Sean the day after murder, "My guy went overboard". At San Diego he said" Then my guy came around and things went crazy". So what is so illogical about Harlow referring to Joe as "my guy".

I do not think Harlow was ever pitching the idea that he could have someone murdered. Joe may have at Le Cirque. But Harlow's only time is after the murder when he was asked how it took place. Even then he was reluctant to say exactly what happen and what he did say was limited to the detailed conversations Bryan had on the phone prior to murder and then the cryptic sentence "Then my guy came around and things went crazy". {End of explanation as to what occured}.

No "We did it to free you from Bryan's terrible grasp", No "because Bryan had it comming", No "you better cooperate with us or you too can become a sliced diced crispy critter". Just the Harlow appology (which by the way was muttered by Joe)that we're sorry that you were investigated by the police or words to that effect.

None of this proves Harlow's innocence, but none of it really proves his guilt. The major factors
that you should cite are Harlow's presence at the scene of the crime, and his actions immediately after the murder when he could have alerted the police if he was totally innocent. On the other hand, you have Joe who has a record of violence, a split-second temper, a conniving nature, an egomanically attitude, a manic-obsessive psychology, the guy who purchased at least two knives (both of which were probably not used) and the lighter fluid (which was likely have been), whose defensive nature about not leaving the hotel was evident in the tapes with Renee and if this was not enough, was willing to plead guilty to a sentence of life without parole with a statement that indicated that he never left the motel. If the prosecution was willing to accept that premise (that he never left the hotel on that night), he should have been able to get a much lighter sentence than what he got. Yet Joe accepted that deal readily indicating that he knew the prosecution did not believe him staying in the hotel, and that if he went to trial he would have gotten the death penalty. All that is lacking is outside proof that Joe was in Bryan's home at the time Bryan was murdered.

But argument keeps being made, that Harlow is the mastermind behind this affair, and Joe was compelled by his "love" of Harlow to do what little he did.

No, I do not think that Harlow is all that imagitive to create an imaginary hitman. He merely changed the name of Joe to "my guy" and left it there.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

Albert:

There were some comments that because the front door was left open, an explosion in house was prevented. Had this occured more evidence against Harlow and Joe would have been destroyed, and that perhaps this was the intent of the fire (to cause an explosion). The door being left open was cited as another example of their stupidity.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

Will:

If you remember Harlow had a cell phone that was working in Virginia Beach. (Three way conversations!!)

He could have dictated that story about him and Hensley working on the car together to whoever was writing the blog. Or he could have written it out in long hand and mailed to his webmaster, or handed to a visitor. The story makes no reference at all to the murder or what occured afterwards, so it is immaterial to guilt or innocence. For this reason, I give its contents credibility.

Anonymous One

will g said...

If you remember Harlow had a cell phone that was working in Virginia Beach. (Three way conversations!!)

LOL inmates aren't allowed cell phones. Those calls were on the jail's phones. If they were on private cell phones there wouldn't be transcripts.

will g said...

BTW another thought on the cigar-smoking blog: If such a thing was said by Renee/Harlow on a blog after their arrest, it very possibly was said BECAUSE of the lighter-fluid purchase. I remember reading that that purchase was particularly damning because it was widely known that neither of them smoked. So how convenient that a little story about smoking cigars happens to appear on Harlow's blog after they realized their stupidity at making that purchase with a credit card.

Albert said...

For Mongoose 1 or Honey Badger 2, lord knows I can't keep them straight, gasoline will explode in open air. An open door in meaningless to highly refined hydrocarbons. They are weird that way.

Anonymous said...

Will:

Can you imagine either Harlow or Joe standing at a public phone in the jail house without some sort of supervision by the guards. I do believe that Harlow's blog made mention of him having a cell phone.

Remember that he was not yet convicted of any crime. Post conviction, cell phone use may be limited.

In any case if he was required to use a phone in a specialized room he still could have dictated the story about working on his car with Hensley. Or as previously said mailing a letter or discussing this with a visitor. (Since he was in Virginia Beach, the travel requirement would be light).

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

Will:

The transcripts were from tapings on Renee's Phone.

Besides Harlow and Joe were segregated in the same prison. How many jail phones would they have and would those phones (assuming more than one) be in different locations. Clearly, the authorities would not allow Harlow and Joe to use telephones in the same room at the same time.

I think they both were allow to keep their cell phones as long as they paid the service fees on them until their trials occured.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

Will:

Where did you read that either of them was a non-smoker. Was this on a profile of the boy batter web site, or a my-space page.

Also a time line would help. My recollection, any it could be mistaken was that car story was late spring or early summer, 2007.
{Remember the Free Harlow Blog did not run very long, so the story had to be either when he was in
Virginia Beach or shortly after arrival in Luzerne County.}

I remember PC breaking the Walmart purchases, and vaugely, very vaugely have late summer 2007 associated with it. I think it was after the prelimary hearing which took place in August, 2007.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

"Besides Harlow and Joe were segregated in the same prison"

cuadra and kerekes were housed in jails in different counties in PA.

will g said...

A-2, we're talking about the jail in VA, not PA.

I have no idea where or when I read that they were non-smokers, but I know I read it somewhere.

Inmates in jail, as well as convicts in prison, are NOT allowed to have cell phones. Please read the opening lines of this transcript.

Anonymous said...

Will:

The term shut your phones down could be interpeted many ways. One that the there is an outside phone that the prisoners can use, and it becomes unavailable after a certain time. This would be your interpetation.

However, this is a prison, and it is unlikely that a prisoner would have unlimited time (within certain hours) to use that phone especially with all of the people incarcerated there wanting to use same.

My interpetation of that line is that Prisoners could use their cells at certain times of the day, but their phones had to be shut down at a certain time of night. (Probably so as not to disturb other prisoners trying to sleep).

Also the transcript does not specifically say that prisoners were not allow to have cell phones. Harlow was certainly on the phone a lot during his time in Virginia Hoosegow. We had his taped plea for money on his web site, plus calls to Renee (without and with Joe). I think it would be natural for Harlow to be lonely and bored and he would want to "reach out and touch someone" both literally and figuratively. Over use by him of a public phone would have repercussions.

Besides if you are correct, you are taking away Jim's argument that Harlow had an illegal cell that he was using after he was convicted.

Anonymous One

will g said...

I don't feel like arguing this tangential issue any more. It's common knowledge that inmates have to use the jail's phones to make calls, which are always collect and are always recorded. Your interpretation of that transcript is, to put it mildly, a stretch.

jim said...

Oh goodness, if the question is prisoners and cell phones, well, as Will can attest, you've come to the right place for answers on on that!

No prison in the country allows prisoners to bring in and use personal cell phones. Period. End of story. The reasons for this total unconditional ban are obvious.

However ... illegal circumvensions of this rule are increasingly commonplace. It is virtually certain, IMO, Harlow is a violator in this respect. If prison authorities have not done so already, they should do a complete search of Harlow's prison cell (including a body cavity search of his person, if necessary), and confiscate his phone.

Browse thru previous Reunions here for absolutely authoritative posts on this subject.

Geoff Harvard said...

That would be a well worn cavity if you could find a cell phone in it.

will g said...

Jim I would just note that A-1 isn't talking about Harlow having a smuggled smartphone in prison, he thinks Harlow was ALLOWED to keep and use his own cell phone while he was jailed in Virginia!

will g said...

Update 31:

Well Robert Wagner did say that Macias and Kocis' relationship had gotten "a bit contentious," and Kocis refused to hire him for the settlement negotiations. So it doesn't sound like Kocis and he were really "friends." But he does sound like an a-hole. He insisted the state pay for TWO seats on the plane so he wouldn't have to sit next to anyone! Your speculation about his reasons for not wanting to testify makes sense.

jim said...

"...he thinks Harlow was ALLOWED to keep and use his own cell phone while he was jailed in Virginia!"

Not in a million years would that ever happen.

josh said...

Maybe willg will use his twitter account to expound more about this theory tonight! Oh wait..

will g said...

My account will be restored soon "josh," and hopefully HWSNBN's account will also be suspended at the same time, given the new info I've just sent them.

("josh" is you-know-who from past reunions. Sorry for the distraction.)

Anonymous said...

Jim:

I am not sure that having a third party present destroys the attorney client priviledge when one of the parties does not know that a third party is present.

In this case the attorney is giving advice to the client, and most attorneys do not want their advice made public. So the protection is on the attorney rather than the client.

The rationale is similar to other advisors giving advice. It is a chilling effect on the person giving that advice and prevents him or her from speaking clearly.

As you are aware, understanding what a lawyer is saying when he or she is speaking is often gobbly-gook when that speech is recorded with all sorts of caveats and reservations.

Courtroom action is different because the lawyer is not advising, he is arguing for a position after examining and cross-examining witnesses. Then they become quite clear and hopefully concise.

My guess is that Machias did not want to testify because he would not be paid for his time (or at least not at the rate he thinks he deserves). Plus he would have to fly from California to Pennsylvania and back.

My impression is that Machias was no spring chicken either.

Of course if Machias and Kocis were discussing a plan that would be considered illegal, you would be right to assume that he would not want that to be aired publically. Taking the fifth might cause him to lose his license to practice law in California also.

Melnick did not need his testimony, the black beach tapes were sufficient to create the inference that Harlow and Joe were both in Kocis home. It would then be up to Harlow and his attorneys to refute that inference. In the end, Harlow and his attorneys went with Plan D and testified that" he (Harlow) was in the house when Joe murdered Bryan." After that there was absolutely no reason for Luzerne County to spend big bucks bringing Machias in as a witness.

Anonymous One

will g said...

A-1, I think you're mistaken about the privilege, it's for the protection of the client, not the lawyer. But I don't want to get into another legal argument.

Also, when Macias took the stand, the prosecution had no idea Harlow would testify about what you call Plan D. So his testimony about "Danny" showing up for his appointment was a necessary component of their case.

jim said...

"I am not sure that having a third party present destroys the attorney client priviledge when one of the parties does not know that a third party is present."

It does.

And Macias was literally the last non-murderer Kocis spoke with. And he did possess a critical bit of earwitness evidence as to the purported arrival of "D". He was necessary.

Anonymous said...

Jim:

Don't forget that Hensely, Shunk, Ryan, Nep and Halford all were served with supenas and required to appear at the trial.

Also interesting that while their testimony was damaging to Harlow (attempts to subjorn perjury, absence from Virginia Beach at time of the murder and anticipation of working with Sean) they almost all made remarks balancing their previous testimony with testimony favorable to Harlow.

Justin Hensley in particular made comments about Harlow protecting him. He also talked about Joe firing the pistol in the bedroom. Your comments on the blog then were concern that this testimony might sway the jury in Harlow's favor.

You may also want to ask what and whom was Harlow protecting Hensley from? My guess is that Joe was withholding money owed to Hensley and Harlow insured that he got that.

While their evidence was NOT exculpatory for Harlow, it does give us a glimse into Harlow's personality. Somehow I do not believe they would have said the same things about Joe.

Anonymous One

jim said...

This is what I wrote about it back in the day:

http://silenceofthechinchillas.blogspot.com/2009/02/trial-musings-3-bedrooms-and.html

As you can see, my last sentence turned out rather prophetic.

Anonymous said...

Jim:

When PC's editors are afraid of incrimination Merlin Bergeron, you are expecting a US Senator to be named? Dream on.

Anonymous One

jim said...

You do have a point there. Still, if he could confirm it somehow for the 2nd edition, perhaps the prospect of greatly enhanced sales would embolden said editors?

Geoff Harvard said...

When I interned on a congressional staff, there were enough prettyboys trolling Capitol Hill that a Finn C. Rayham would not have to travel or pay for it. The former senator who was married to Elizabeth Taylor looks like the crypt keeper and has a huge rural estate near Washington. My money is still there.

jim said...

I googled "John Warner" and "gay rumors" and didn't find much. If it be him he's done a great job of keeping it under wraps.

Geoff Harvard said...

Bailiffs in murder trials in Pennsylvania turn down the volume on evidentiary audio tapes such that they dare not speak his name, so of course he is doing a great job. It is a commonplace among the hard right in Virginia that Wawanah is kwee-ah. That he was married to Elizabeth Taylor is enough for me.

will g said...

Update 32:

Once again it falls upon me to keep the thread organized and readable for posterity.

The impression Quicky gave is that there was a concerted effort to keep the entirety of the tapes from being heard in the courtroom, not just the few seconds containing the name of the mystery client. Indeed, it's not just an impression, he flat-out says:

There was an effort to keep these tapes from being aired in public.

Why wouldn't they just lower the volume during the short section where he's named, if that was their goal? It seems like there were two different, not necessarily related things going on here:

1. The deliberate excising of the name from the transcripts. Since the jury was told the transcripts were to be relied upon as evidence, they became part of the official court record of this case, and nobody wanted that person's name entered into the official record. Understandable.

2. The deliberate effort by Prick Face to keep not only that name, but most, if not all, of the rest of the content of the tapes from being heard and understood by the spectators and the media. That I do not understand at all.

will g said...

I googled "John Warner" and "gay rumors" and didn't find much.

Much? I found exactly ONE result, one comment on a right-wing blog. It was probably Geoff.

Anonymous said...

the judge had control over reality in the court room, he would not likely have been afraid of the jury hearing something on the tapes. he would have feared a high profile reporter or professional writer in the court room hearing something and reporting it to the media. obviously no reporter or high profile writer reported anything about low volume on the tapes to the media, so it didn't happen. this is the reality of law, the judge decides what reality is.

the other issue is "who owns the black beach tapes?" don't think luzerne county did the recording. if the tapes are not owned by luzerne county then that means a copy of them should be available from whatever state agency does own the tapes.

jim said...

BTW, this by my calculations is the list of people who would know the true identity of mystery Senator Finn C. Rayham...or Brent Schlott...or Lon Morner...or whatever you want to call him:

1) Harlow
2) Joe
3) Sean
4) Grant
5) Justin Hensley (probably)
6) Andrew Shunk (probably)
7) Renee (possibly)
8) Barry Taylor (very probably)

My point being, if and when Sean writes his promised book, the identity of whose name he heard on that beach might be spilled therein.

jim said...

To that I should probably add all the investigators, prosecutors and defense attorneys and court employees who had access to the raw tapes, into the "possibly" category.

Anonymous said...

Jim:

There is one problem with your assumption about Harlow using his knowledge to get "Senator Finn C. Rayham" to foot his legal bills. That is the time factor. It was several months (like 6 in fact) before Harlow was able to raise funds to hire Fannick the first time. Then almost a year later before he was able to raise more funds to hire the two who did the trial. More time then before the appeal was filed.

Assumming that the payments were involuntary, why the huge delay in time? My guess is that had the individual been threathen that any payments made would have been fairly immediate. In fact the money was been paid only when moments of crisis had occurred. In the first situation, it appeared Joe was about to hire private counsel. The second situation arose when Joe plead guilty and the last times were to file appeals within the time limits. It was almost like the donor of the funds was hanging on to the money until the last possible moment and then said what the heck.

Naturally this would make sense if Halford was telling the truth and dipping into his retirement account to find the money.

However, like you I believe that Halford is the collection agency for Harlow's friends and the money is being solictited at moments of crises from Harlow's former clients. Unlike you I believe these contributions are voluntary.

If involunary, how would Harlow have made his demands on his clients. Certainly not directly, since all communications by him were being monitored. He would need a loyal intermediary who would not be keeping the funds for him/her-self?

Also if subceptible to blackmail, why would not not one or more of the other persons on your list being making similar hush money demands. JOE, in my opinion, certainly would have no qualms about getting money this way.

Anonymous One

By the way, I think that when the actual name of the Senator was said to Grant and Sean, the voice was so hushed that even they could not hear it audibly. I think that is Sean ever writes his auto biography he will be unable and probably unwilling (if he could do so) to name the Senator.

Albert said...

"Now, this observation is not about an episode in the book, but rather, about an episode not in the book."

Unless Peter does it in edition 2, I would not look for it.

Sean's hearing is excellent and so is his brain. Grant is also sharp and considering what to do with his files. Neither are so stupid as to invite more court expenses. In the end, who Harlow was working for as an hourly employee is irrelevant to the first person stories they may tell.

The question is interesting but the answer, who cares?

Anonymous said...

how could an edition 2 of the book possibly be as exciting and as wildly successful as edition 1? with the movie deal already in place for edition 1, would there be a movie sequel for edition 2?

Anonymous said...

co-author suing magnus?

will g said...

co-author suing magnus?

No! Stop spreading false rumors!

Bye the bye, revealing the name of a client, ANY client, to ANYONE, is breaking the cardinal rule of "escorts." Good thing he's otherwise engaged, because after it became known he did that, Harlow would have been drummed out of the hooker business.

Albert said...

Will, do hooker unions have a presence in prison? Inquiring minds want to know.

Anonymous said...

Will G:

I agree with you. Keep in mind that Harlow was reluctant to inform on Joe. Also it seems that Joe is the one who mentions the Senator as a client.

Albert:

I think that if a former US Senator wanted to make things even thougher in prison for Harlow, he could. Even if he couldn't, Harlow probably would not want to take that chance.

Guys:

Here's a though that should blow everyones' mind. Supposing the Senator was a female. After all Harlow could have been 'thinking of England' and doing his duty and collecting cash. On the other hand maybe not.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

or, what if the client was a shape shifting alien from space that could take over human bodies? that would explain Joe's wild mood swings.

Albert said...

On an unrelated subject (hat tip DeWayne,) Judge Mark A. Ciavarella lost an appeal of his 28 year sentence. http://boingboing.net/2013/08/06/judge-who-accepted-private-pri.html

Anonymous said...

related? haven't your heard? the rampant corruption in Luzerne county is totally unrelated - not in PC's book.

will g said...

On an unrelated subject...

Tell that to Anonymous Two.

On another unrelated subject, why doesn't anyone else put hyperlinks in the thread except me? It's too much trouble to copy and paste.

will g said...

Haha I knew A-2 would post an objection, and he did it at the exact same time as me.

Anonymous said...

"Judge Mark A. Ciavarella lost an appeal of his 28 year sentence"

Ciavarella was represented by Al Flora, Jr, the lawyer for bryan kocis and kocis' relatives and the former LC Pubic Defender. Flora represented ciavarella (the kids for cash judge) while simultaneously arguing that the kids for cash scandal proved that the public defender's office needed more money to defend juveniles who couldn't afford lawyers.

will g said...

All very interesting. And unrelated

Albert said...

LOL

Anonymous said...

And on a more related issue, nobody has mentioned that Harlow had his 32nd birthday this week.

I wonder if his cellmate gave him anything special for the occaision.

Jim I am sure sent him a text message to his unauthorized cell phone.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

every year there is a notice in the LC newspaper about bryan kocis' family donating money to a children's charity in bryan's name. Bryan Kocis and Children - the connection lives on.

jim said...

"Jim I am sure sent him a text message to his unauthorized cell phone."

HBH!

will g said...

What does HBH mean??

Anonymous said...

Yeah what does HBH mean

Anonymous One

jim said...

Happy Birthday Harlow! (since he is clearly reading this)

jim said...

OMG how unprecedented:

http://gaypornblog.com/josh-logan-murderer.html

jim said...

Sorry for the dearth in new postings, I have been sick. :-( Hopefully we will move on by this weekend!

Anonymous said...

The book Cobra Killer is exactly what PC deserved

Albert said...

Bravely spoken honey badger.

Geoff Harvard said...

I think I said drier than a popcorn fart earlier before I removed the comment so as not to hurt anyone's feelings.
Albert, is honey badger your pet name for Dewayne?

will g said...

Geoff since you stated, on PC's book blog of all places, that you were not going to read it, I wonder how you'd know if it's dry or moist.

Albert said...

LOL, no Geoff. DeWayne and I have used our real names since Bryan died. Our pictures also became public at that time although we are not really public figures. My comment was a cynical observation on the courage of an anonymous nobody. Seen them come and go since Jason Secrest opened his site to anonymous comments so investigators could track links. At least you have a name you have stuck with.

On the other hand, I might use that term next time D and I are 'together.'

Albert said...

As far as Peter's book goes, It is the only book I currently recommend on my Facebook site. D got a pre-print copy and I got a signed post print copy. It is a fine work. Although the audience may be very limited it is a required source for any student of the subject.

There are errors. Some may be big in my mind but meaningless to others so I have not written a review and neither has D that I know of. I would not call it a 'finished' product.' Jim has explained a lot of that already.

Peter's book may be the final distinctive word on this case and if that is the so, I applaud him. He did well. Thank you Peter Conrad.

Albert said...

PETER CONWAY. Somebody spank me....please.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Albert, you might find this interesting ...

there is a section of THAT BOOK that claims that Lockhart's last "contract" with Kocis/Cobra Video (where lockhart got the car) had Lockhart being a contractor supplying scenes to cobra video for a fee (i.e. a distribution deal rather than money to lockhart for the performance of sex acts).

all in all, the book cobra killer IS exactly to the letter what PC deserved.

Anonymous said...

"Peter's book may be the final distinctive word on this case"

somebody will do something like Gomorrah about luzerne county and the book Cobra Killer will become even more of a joke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomorrah_(film)

the book cobra killer is exactly what PC deserved.

Albert said...

Mr. Mongoose, you know less about the agreed contract between Bryan and Sean/Grant than I do. Stick to what you know dude. In this arena, you are on the losing end.

Anonymous said...

DOWNTOWNS

will g said...

Ummm, on Aug. 4, when Mr. Everhard said "co-author suing Magnus?" and I said "No! Stop spreading false rumors!" I was unaware that PC had tweeted this that same day:

@CobraKillerBook 4 Aug

Co-author Peter Conway files suit against Magnus Books for "Breach of Contract" in NYC courts... updates to follow - stay tuned!


My excuse is that my Twitter account had just been suspended, so I missed it.

Anonymous said...

Is my memory correct that Magnus was the sleazy original publisher and not the eventual firm that published the book?

Anonymous One

will g said...

Nope, Magnus is the publisher. The original one was Alyson.

Anonymous said...

"Tucked away in an inconspicuous back office in a North Riverdale building it shares with a community board office, a physical therapy practice and a tech and travel company, the new publishing firm churns out 52 books a year, many of which draw from publisher Lori Perkins’ and editorial director Don Weise’s years of publishing erotic romance and lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) titles."

Albert said...

Pointless.

jim said...

Oh that's interesting (book law suit).

jim said...

BTW I just deleted some posts with just links. I'm not sure what they really were, but my SOP here is to assume when I see something like that, without any other explanatory text, is to assume they are spam/virus links, and to delete them without further investigation.

Anonymous said...

chris steele

Anonymous said...

my SOP here is to assume your narcissistic wound has not healed

Anonymous said...

you're a fucking joke

will g said...

Anonymous Two aka Peter Everhard, if you posted those links that Jim deleted, and I didn't see, you have only yourself to blame, since you refuse to identify yourself, or at least attach another screenname to your comments. You have many online aliases to choose from, after all. Choose one. Believe me, when Jim leaves his threads unmoderated, the spammers show up in force posting bad links. That I have seen.

I think it's incredible that after all this time, you still haven't identified yourself. At least Anonymous One tags his tweets so we know it's him. Why do you refuse to acknowledge who you are? Seems a bit cowardly to me. Especially since your main purpose in posting here is to attack Peter Conway, and now Jim.

Anonymous said...

jim jan chris will, choose one

will g said...

LOL what the hell does Chris Steele have to do with it? Is this a new conspiracy theory?

will g said...

Also LOL I meant to say "At least Anonymous One tags his COMMENTS..." Forgot where I was for a second.

Albert said...

Maybe someone still loves Bryan?

jim said...

Peter Everhard, Matt Fondel, choose one...

http://web.archive.org/web/20070717205033/http://www.queerty.com/queer/porn/anatomy-of-a-frameup-20070418.php

will g said...

Oh, so that's how you found out his real name, and other info about him. I wonder how Queerty found out? Anyway, thanks for the amusing link.

will g said...

I'm still intrigued by this:

jim jan chris will, choose one

Is he saying that you and I are the same person, and we're both actually Chris Steele (whose real name is Jan)? I'm dying to know.

jim said...

I'm not sure how Queerty found out, but as I recall, they hastily removed the story from their website shortly after its publication, presumably at Mr. Fondel's private insistence. But not before the Internet Archive snapped a copy of it.

I remember reading it on Queerty, and then seeing it disappear.

Geoff Harvard said...

My little honey badgers, I had no idea who Matt Fondel was, but at least now I know that I have a finer legal mind than his. Why form an LLC as an alternative to gay marriage when it is a legal hassle to form one and dissolve one? Back on the BC blog I recommended interlocking revocable living trusts and the set of associated agreements. If you want to dissolve the agreement before it is executed, all you have to do is run the documents through a shredder, no court order required. The only sticky part would be holding real estate in joint tenancy. So rent.

jim said...

Well, what with gay marriage breaking out all over, the point will soon be moot anyways.

will g said...

Updates 33 and 34:

WHAAAT? Two updates for the price of one? Glad you're feeling better!

Now I'll read them.

will g said...

OK, on the first update, I'll leave it to Anonymous One to shoot down what he'll see as your silly statement about Harlow being unmasked. I just don't think a hardcore member of the "Harlow is innocent" camp would quite interpret that look in the way you (and me and the juror) would. Rather, they would see it as an expression of his justifiable rage at Joe NOT TELLING THE TRUTH about what he did, and leaving Harlow in the lurch, all so he could save a little face with his family.

On the second update, couldn't agree with you more. I was as surprised as anyone when I saw PC's tweet, because even though he had confided in me about the bad situation with Magnus, and I had suggested at the time that he take them to court, I had thought the book blog going back online meant it had been resolved. Guess not.

jim said...

"...all so he could save a little face with his family."

Yeah that was Joe's official excuse, but I think my theory, that he did not want to go down in history as Harlow's patsy, is more accurate.

And on a related note, I didn't mention this in my main post but, as to Joe's claim that the prosecution "leaned" on him to plead guilty by hinting at a prosecution of his parents...that is possible I suppose.

Joe could have bolstered his case here, however by 1) providing at least one specific detailed instance of such prosecutorial hinting; and 2) allowing interviewers access to his parents to verify this. The fact that he did neither here makes me wonder.

will g said...

I doubt the threat against his parents, if there was one, played much of a role in his decision to plead guilty. I don't think Joe is the type to sacrifice himself to save someone else, even his parents.

There's something else about Joe's sudden "betrayal" of Harlow that I think has to be taken into account: If he had gone ahead and testified the way Harlow wanted him to, thus sabotaging the prosecution's case, there was a very real possibility that the state could move to have his plea bargain revoked. After all, he would be completely contradicting the sworn allocution he gave when accepting the plea. I believe such circumstances can result in a plea being invalidated, and I imagine Joe would have been aware of that. Certainly Harlow's lawyers had to be aware of it. I don't know why that little charade ever got as far as it did.

Anonymous said...

Will G has done a good job is describing what I feel about Joe's testimony that I do not have to elaborate further about the looks.

Actually, I believe that Joe always intended to back out at the last moment, despite promises made to Harlow to contrary.

To explain why, goes to the eternal conflict inside Joe. On one hand Harlow brought in the big bucks from the client, he was a "trophy boyfriend" and relatively compliant to Joe's bidding. On the other hand, Joe was jealous of the same popularity that Harlow had with the clients, his youth, and his good looks. Further Joe's pride and joy in himself was his ability to con people and to stick it to them.

After the arrest, Joe's primary interest was to keep Harlow from testifying against him. But after the plea deal, Joe had no further use for Harlow unless Joe could get something in return (a TV Set, a payment for his memoirs as told to PC, a book deal for himself, etc.) Keep in mind Jim has already shown Joe to be unbalanced in his actions, and we all pretty much feel that he is an incurable liar.

As far as his plea deal being revoked if he testified for Harlow, this is a possibility. I think in that case, you would have to show some contact between the prosecution and Joe warning him of this possibility.

If that had occured, Melnick should be disbarred for witness tampering, and Harlow set free with the case thrown out. If there was evidence of such, it would have been raised by the defense by now. So I am hoping that said contact did not occur.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

I never felt that D'Andrea and partner did a very good job in defending Harlow. As you commented in his opening statement, D'Andrea blames everyone else. However, despite what was in PC's book, my recollection was that D'Andrea blamed Sean, Grant and Robert Wagner but not Joe.

This opening statement shows that the Defense Counsels were using the tired strategy of throwing up as much mud as possible and hopefully confusing the jury so that some would vote to acquit. This lazy method oftens requires counsel not to ask the client to tell them in advance what really happed.

Then they saw the testimony play out in front of them and they decided to switch tactics in mid-trial. Apparently all along Harlow was telling them that Joe would testify that he killed Bryan (as Joe probably promised many times to Harlow to keep him in line). They got Joe into the courtroom only to find Joe pulling a typical Joe tactic. Desparate at this point, they decided to have Harlow testify DESPITE NOT HAVING PREPARED HIM IN ADVANCE.

Like most defense counsel, the normal practice is to NOT put the defendant on the stand. From the way Harlow answered questions on Roeker Film, I knew that Harlow would be a lousy witness. Of course Harlow thought he would be a great witness, and D'Andrea and co-counsel though what the heck, the case is lost already.

Melnick is a good attorney. He was able to show where Harlow's testimony contradicted himself and other witnesses, and won over the jury despite what I consider to be a weak case. He was helped enormously by Defense Counsels being unprepared and the resultant bad decisions they made including putting Harlow on the stand. Then there would be the gems of remarks they made; such as describing Harlow's throwing of the frisbee as evidence that Harlow threw like a girl and therefore lacked the strength to cut Bryan's throat.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

In reading the jurors comments after the trial, it is obvious that the prosecution showed them a picture of Bryan's burnt body.

If Harlow did go to the car immediately after the killing, he would not have participated in the Arson, and showing that photo would be reversible error.

Therefore, if Fannick could prove that Harlow was innocent of the Arson Charges, a new trial would have to be held on the murder charges.

Anonymous One

jim said...

Interesting speculation re: Joe's pleas deal might have been revoked. I don't recall this possibility ever coming up in our voluminous conversations in 2009, but now that you mention it, if Joe were to go against his proffer, why not? Esp. if it led to a hung jury or worse for Harlow.

Will's playing of the Devil's Advocate aside, Harlow, could have revealed two vastly different emotions at that point when Joe did not act according to his desires in the court room:

1) Fear, confusion, panic and/or terror. These are the emotions of submission.

2) Anger. This is the emotion of dominance and control.

When the mask dropped, for that split second, Harlow revealed himself as the controller, betrayed by a subordinate.

By the time it was over, Harlow had put back on his mask of pain and despair.

The jury saw this and interpreted it rightly. In my mind, it's absolutely conclusive.

Anonymous said...

Jim:

Anger at being betrayed does not make a person a controller, it makes the person have his eyes open to the true nature of the person doing the betrayal.

I also think anger was building up inside Harlow over the length of the trial. He had to sit through the video of him cavorting naked with Sean on Black Beach WITH HIS MOTHER SITTING BEHIND HIM. If the original version of the workout tape with him masturbating was shown, this would be another highly embarrassing moment. While their testimony was overall favorable to him, he saw his friends (fellow escorts and clients) testify against him. He had the prosecutor trying to put him to death. He was required to sit there and be quiet which he did.

Then came the defining moment when he was put on the stand. A thousand ideas of what to say must have bubbled through him at one time, and he sought to strike back anyway he could. Harlow COULD NOT STRIKE PHYSICALLY the Prosecutor, but he could try to refute the narrative anyway he thought best, whether or not he was saying the truth. He also was trying to GET ALL CHARGES AGAINST HIM DROPPED. So he modifies (?) the narrative to reduce his blame, tries to get the jury to sympathize with him with the story about his step father, and ends up making a muddle of things. He even gets fiesty with Melnick which hurts his changes even more.

What the jury saw was defendant whose testimony lacked credibility and this is what convicted him. Keep in mind that he was the outsider, a gay man in a heavily conservative region accused of murdering a local (The prosecution had already painted Bryan as St. Bryan of Luzerne). So it did not take much convincing for the majority of the jurors to convince. But had Harlow's counsel been better prepared and Harlow's testimony either avoided or properly coached, the result with the remaining jurors could have been materially different.

Amonymous One

will g said...

I couldn't find any cases that were exactly analagous to this one, but I'm pretty sure if Joe had testified for Harlow and against the prosecution, it would qualify as breaking his contract with the prosecutor, thus invalidating his plea.

jim said...

Yeah I'm thinking that too Will, and it makes me wonder: Did Harlow's lawyers reveal that possibility to Joe when they first convinced him to take the stand and all the blame? Or did they just say, 'hey Joe, you got nothing to lose now by allowing Harlow to walk...'

Interesting hypothetical: Let's say Harlow succeeded in fooling a misinformed Joe in this manner. Let's further say Harlow gets acquitted as a result. And then assume Joe's plea deal is then thrown out by and understandably miffed prosecutor. Then Joe goes to trial, is found guilty, gets the death penalty, and is executed.

In that scenario, could one say he was guilty of murdering Joe, by deception?

In any case, that it was even attempted shows Harlow doesn't have much empathy for the lives of others.

Anonymous said...

Guys:

In a plea deal, the defendant agrees to plead guilty to one, some or all of the charges. In return the prosecution agrees to a sentence. The agreement may include a requirement to testify against another defendant in a related matter or unrelated matter, in which case the plea agreement is not finalized until the testimony is given.

One thing that could not be in the agreement is a provision requiring that the Defenant not testify in a case for or against another Defendant. This would be WITNESS TAMPERING, baring the defendant from telling the truth in another client under threat of punishment. Witness tampering by prosecution is extremely dangerous to prosecution since the penalty would a criminal indictment of the prosecutor(s)with jail time and disbarment thrown in for good measure. If it were to occur and this was made known to the judge conducting the trial (assuming that second trial was ongoing or had not appeared ) or to an appealate court, the likely result would be for the second criminal case to be thrown out.

Obviously, if a judge were aware of such witness tampering and acquiesced to it in the trial before him, the judge would be an accessory to the crime.

Naturally, before accepting a plea deal the judge will throughly review the agreement to make sure that the Defendant understands what he/she is waiving, that the Defendant has indeed committed a crime for which he/she was charged, that the Defendant was not coerced into signing the agreement and that sentence assigned in the case, meets the judge's opinion as being fair and sustainable under the law. The judge can reject the agreement if he feels the penalties are not severe enough.

Having said this, in Joe's case apparently he agreed to plead to second degree murder for a life without parole sentence. He made a statement in support of the plea and was sentenced by Judge Olszewski several months prior to Harlow's Trial. There may have been an understanding that Joe would not testify for the prosecution against Harlow, but it is unlikely that this was written into the agreement.

So at trial, in what way could Joe violate this agreement. He could not take back the guilty plea. It was entered and finalized.

He could take the stand and if he lied on the stand he could be charged with perjury and face a new trial. But what kind of additional penalty could he face other than more jail time (beyond his lifetime) stifter fines or being chatised by the judge (which would have sent shivers up Joes back--LOL).

If he appeared on the witness stand, the judge could admonish him to tell only the truth. The prosecution could use his written statement to impeach his testimony. Making a threat of any kind prior to testimony is called witness intimidation and would be the same kind of witness tampering I mentioned above.

As I said before, if any whiff of tampering occured, the Defense would have raised it already, and therefore I am willing to believe that prosecution in this case never tried to prevent Joe from testifying or influence his testimony.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

So basically in my previous comment I have shown how the Defense could not have caused Joe to be 'murdered'.

Calling Harlow heartless for wanting Joe to tell (what Harlow considered to be) the truth, was only reasonable.

If Harlow was truly heartless, he would have incriminated Joe a long time ago in return for a lesser statement. {In fact Jim you were calling for Harlow to do just that}
That incrimination almost certainly would have resulted in Joe being given a death sentence if he went to trial. Yet for two years, Harlow refused to implicate Joe in any way until Joe took the stand and imploded Harlow's case.

Remember this is the same 'heartless' Harlow who on the witness stand denied that Sean and Grant had any knowledge of the crime. If really wanted revenge against them, he could lied about their involvement and made BB's day.

Anonymous One

will g said...

A-1, I do not want to get into another legal argument with you. I will just say that Joe, as a condition of his plea bargain, was required to give a sworn statement about the crime and his role in it. No statement, no plea. If he then proceeds to take the stand in a case about that same crime and, under oath, tell a completely different story, the plea agreement can be withdrawn, because he is now saying he lied in his sworn statement, and thus didn't comply with a condition of his plea. That is a much more likely outcome than a perjury prosecution.

Your allegation that all of this would amount to witness tampering is, I believe, simply erroneous.

will g said...

However, if the defendant breaches a plea agreement, the prosecution may reprosecute the defendant.

jim said...

Yeah what Will said. I'm a bit surprised no one thought of this issue back in 2009 (that I can recall).

But then again, we were all a bit too blown away at the time with the sheer dramatics of it all.

Anonymous said...

Will:

I read your article. It specifically refers to requiring a defendant to testify against another defendant and failure to do so would revoke the plea agreement. Ok, did Joe's agreement require him to testify against Harlow or not? If not, then how in all creation could Joe violate the agreement.

The article does refer to a further trial for prejury if the statement given with the plea agreement is contradicted by further testimony at a later trial. That is and was the same penalty that I referred previously to.

But BARRING a plea bargained defendant from subsequent testimony is a completely different animal. First it would prevent the other defendant from getting a fair trial if the evidence would exculpatory. Both the DUE PROCESS CLAUSE and the EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE of the United State Constitution would be violated. Second, it smacks of corruption and intimidation. It is also totally immoral and makes a mockery of being an officer of the court .

This is why barring Joe from testifying or retaliating against him for testifying by revoking his plea agreement after acceptance and sentencing would a dangerous thing for the prosecution.

If you want to raise a what if, should Joe testify and then the Prosecution moved to revoke his plea agreement where it had been accepted, might also result in JOE BEING SET FREE because of prosecutorial misconduct. Based on what I have characterized Joe previously, I shudder at that happening.

ANONYMOUS ONE

jim said...

"Ok, did Joe's agreement require him to testify against Harlow or not? If not, then how in all creation could Joe violate the agreement."

And Will answered that question very succinctly above: "...Joe, as a condition of his plea bargain, was required to give a sworn statement about the crime and his role in it. No statement, no plea. If he then proceeds to take the stand in a case about that same crime and, under oath, tell a completely different story, the plea agreement can be withdrawn, because he is now saying he lied in his sworn statement, and thus didn't comply with a condition of his plea."

The only person who was in danger in this transaction was Joe. I don't know if this danger was ever made clear to him.

This is all really academic, as Joe steered himself clear of the danger at the last minute for what appears to be unrelated reasons.

Another thing I should point out, while reflecting on this moment in history, is Harlow himself had up to this time a WELL documented history of suborning perjury. We have the infamous letter to Nep, Mitch Hal(l)ford who he tried to get a fake alibi from etc. The jury, the bloggers, ALL of us knew of this, before this happened.

And then this happened. So, it did not take ANY stretch of the imagination to grasp what was going on here, that Harlow had tried to suborn perjury, AGAIN. First Nep, then Hal(l)ford, and now Joe.

And to make sure there was absolutely no doubt at ALL what was going on, Harlow involuntarily shoots Joe the evil eye across the court room, right at the moment Joe goes off script.

So the instance has to be viewed keeping in mind Harlow's both brazen and numerous prior attempts to similarly solicit false testimony.

will g said...

The article does refer to a further trial for prejury if the statement given with the plea agreement is contradicted by further testimony at a later trial. That is and was the same penalty that I referred previously to.

You just forced me to read the whole thing twice. Neither time did I see that passage you're referring to. Where is it?

will g said...

While I'm waiting for your answer -- BTW just skimmed the article a THIRD time and nope, still don't see it -- I'll just respond to this:

But BARRING a plea bargained defendant from subsequent testimony is a completely different animal.

Nowhere did I talk about barring him from testifying. I was talking about possible repurcussions from his testimony, if he had testified to a completely different scenario than in his statement. At no time did the prosecution attempt to bar him from testifying in Harlow's defense.

Anonymous said...

Will:

Sorry that you had to wait, but you are starting to act like joe demanding instant responses.

The paragraph reads:

When a court accepts a plea agreement, the guilting plea operates as a conviction and the defendant cannot be retried (for the same crime, "implied", however if the defendant breaches the deal (and the example given is failure to testify against a co-defendant) then the deal is revoked.

I spoke to a friend of mine who has acted as a public defender in a number of criminal cases. He pointed out that the standard procedure is to wait until after the trial of the second defendant before entering a sentence. If a sentence is entered where no agreement to testify is required that is the end of the situation and the deal cannot be reversed in the state in which he practices.

He did make a point that this may not be the case in all states.

I also asked about later testimony in the companion case that contradicted the statement given in the plea deal, and he felt that the original statement could be used to impeach his testimony. {Of course giving a false statement to a law official is a separate crime that can be prosecuted}.

One point he did make about prosecutory misconduct, the court always presumes that the prosecutor has acted properly and it would take extremely strong evidence to contrary to effect the trial or its results. Joe's Testimony if given would not cut it.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

Jim:

The plea bargain for joe required that he plea guilty, give a sworn statement in support of the plea, waive his right to a trial and an appeal in return for a reduced sentence. If the agreement had called for his testimony against Harlow, sentencing would have been delayed.

So since you can not say positively that there was such a clause, and since sentencing took place fairly quickly, and since Melnick is a fairly competent prosecutor would not pass up the opportunity to get Joe to testify against Harlow, we can safely assume no provision requiring Joe to testify existed.

Now contary to your assessment, the sworn statement need only be sufficient to prove that the Defendant was quilty of the crime to which he plead guilty to, that the defendant was mentally capable of making this plea deal, that the defendant knew his rights and what he was waiving, and that the defendant willfully and knowingly agreed to waive his rights. Any else in the statement was immaterial from a legal standing.

In fact, I am sure that prosecution and defense counsel wrote the sworn statement for Joe with some imput from him. Joe had the opportunity to modify this statement and I sure much time and many amendments took place before the final version was signed by Joe.

Also I quite sure that the Prosecution (like you) was quite convinced that Joe did not stay in the Motel the entire time of murder, but were quite happy to accept that version and the life without parole sentence. The Prosecution never intended to use the sworn statement other than to keep Joe behind bars for rest of his natural life.

Anonymous One

will g said...
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will g said...

A-1, that paragraph from the article contains nothing about a subsequent perjury prosecution, as you said it did. What you said is in the article isn't in the article. What that paragraph does talk about, the FAILURE to testify against someone as stipulated in a plea agreement, is irrelevant to our discussion.

And BTW, in one interview Melnick referred to Joe's statement as the "factual basis" for his plea. That is what was required of him. Whether or not Melnick believed every word of it doesn't matter. That is the statement Joe was wedded to. He cannot then get on the stand and, figuratively, tear it up into little pieces and throw them in Melnick's face.

jim said...

"...and since Melnick is a fairly competent prosecutor would not pass up the opportunity to get Joe to testify against Harlow..."

No no no no no. Melnick is indeed a competent prosecutor, and as such, passing up the opportunity to get Joe to testify against Harlow IS EXACTLY WHAT HE DID. HE PASSED IT RIGHT UP.

There is a passage in the book, or PC's blog, or somewhere where Melnick confirms this...he saw Joe's potential as a witness as more of a liability than an asset. And so that's why it was NEVER a condition of his deal.

Now, Joe got to come out of the court room the day of his deal, swaggering a bit by saying to the assembled media that he'd NEVER testify against Harlow...which was technically true but the impression he was trying to create was bullshit. Joe wasn't going to testify against Harlow because Joe had bravely drawn a line in the sand, OH NO. He wasn't going to because MELNICK DIDN'T WANT HIM.

"...we can safely assume no provision requiring Joe to testify existed." HELL YES we can assume that, because it is a FACT. Thus I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up, like it's some matter in dispute. I certainly don't dispute it!

"... he felt that the original statement could be used to impeach his testimony." I totally agree with that as well.

But here's the thing: Lets say Joe did reverse his story on the stand for Harlow. Yes, his prior sworn statement would have been used to impeach. But the jury might have been swayed anyways.

If that had happened, and Joe's testimony led to Harlow walking...there is no doubt in my mind Joe's plea deal could have been revoked. And under those circumstances, probably would have been revoked.

Joe would then be facing a trial with the death penalty on the table.

will g said...

Here's a question for A-1 that just occurred to me: IF Harlow's version of the murder, that he wanted Joe to confirm on the stand, were true, why in the world wouldn't Joe have pleaded guilty by reason of temporary insanity? Instead, he pleaded to a premeditated crime that sent him away for life with no parole. Temporary insanity is exactly what that version of events describes. NO premeditation. If he had been convicted of that, he even had a chance of walking out of his trial a free man. At the very least, it could have resulted in a lighter sentence than he got. Boy, his lawyers must have been incompetent, and he must be even stupider than we think he is.

will g said...

Oops, now that I think about it, you can't plead guilty to a crime you aren't charged with. He was charged with premeditated murder, so he can't plead guilty to a temporarily-insane unpremeditated one. But if that's what really happened, he should have gone to trial and explained to the jury how he just went bat-shit insane at the sight of his beloved hooker boyfriend being kissed by another man. I'm sure they would have sympathized.

Albert said...

'Temporary' is a widely variable term. In a decade or two it may be resolved. Susceptibility is more permanent. A good bed, warm food and a protective environment may be a good solution.

Anonymous said...

Will:

In answer to your question, I believe that his could have plead diminished capabilty or temporary insanity to the original charge. However we are talking about Joe who would have his persona involved.

Also each state has its standards as to what constitute insantity. Most probably still use the McLaughlin (hope I spelled that right) where the individual could no longer distinguish the results of his/her actions. Most likely Pennsylvania still has this standard, and his legal counsel probably told him that it would not work.

A better reason might be if he plead insanity (temporary or permenant), he would be unable to enter into a plea agreement lacking the mental capability to do so.

Still, in the end, Joe decided to leave Harlow out there slowly twisting in the wind.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

Jim:

I have always said that Melnick was wise not to have Joe testify. Maybe I should have said, Melnick could have made Joe testify but waived that right because he foresaw the downside of that testimony.

Melnick and the County got what they wanted from Joe, a lifetime behind prison with no chance for parole. There was no need to tear up a plea agreement (even if they had the ability to do so) and waste more taxpayer dollars on a new trial just for the outside chance of getting a death sentence.

Anonymous One

will g said...

There is a passage in the book, or PC's blog, or somewhere where Melnick confirms this...he saw Joe's potential as a witness as more of a liability than an asset. And so that's why it was NEVER a condition of his deal.

Yeah, I still don't know where that elusive quote from Melnick is. But as I said before, if it does exist, I think it sounds like a convenient rationalization for him not being able to get Joe to agree to a stipulation that required him to testify against Harlow. Obviously his testimony wasn't so crucial that Melnick would make it a deal-breaker on the plea, but I also doubt he would have refused to let him testify if he was willing to. Prosecutors routinely put unsavory, unstable co-conspirators on the stand.

will g said...

Hoo boy, now I realize that what I MEANT to say is, Joe should have pleaded NOT GUILTY by reason of temporary insanity. Sorry for the confusion. That would have been the proper plea if Harlow's version had happened, whereby Joe admits he killed Kocis but still maintains his innocence due to mental impairment.

will g said...

Hope you're not sick again Jim!

jim said...

No, I'm digesting the chapter on Harlow's testimony, it's a biggie.

I will say this, the next update will be the start of a new post. So, when you see comments closed here the new one will be ready.

Albert said...

So if I post here, the status quo is maintained. All is well. We fear change.

will g said...

Thanks for the warning Jim, although after that other time I did learn to bookmark and check the home page.

Anonymous said...

We all know that Harlow's Testimony contains a huge amount of controversy.

It would be helpful to break up your comments into small bits rather than one huge post.

Anonymous One

Albert said...

If inane rambling and idiocy are controversial.