"In 2001, Kocis was newly bankrupt, meaning that his debts were discharged then, but that he had to forfeit most of his assets. He could keep his home, but if he wanted to keep his personal property including his clothes, he had to value them on a mark-to-market basis and buy them back from the court, forking over monthly cash payments at his bankruptcy lawyer’s office. He would not be able legitimately to apply for and get credit, except for a low dollar secured credit card, until 2008, which he did not live to see.
I estimate that Kocis could have produced one of his cheesoid dvds for somewhere in the low to mid five figures, assuming he paid the models generously. Where did he get his start-up and continuing operating capital if he were still in bankruptcy? Did he ask his parents for it? Did he dig up a bunch of Chock Full o’ Nuts coffee cans in the back yard? Or did he go to a high-interest underground lender who would be unforgiving about repayment.
Such an underground lender might know a lot about the gay porn industry, be able to judge a project’s probability of success, maintain wide contacts in the industry, have numerous gay porn film clients, and, again, wouldn’t be fucking kidding about taking back the principle and the vig.
All goes well for three years. Kocis makes his films, establishes a Rolodex of models, gets distribution, establishes an industry reputation, and the money starts rolling in. But he fucks it up. He plows his income into lifestyle and not into the business. Small businessmen do not have Rolexes and Maseratis until they retire. Kocis remains dependent on the underground lender for operating capital.
Then the bottom drops out. Kocis has a falling out with a star model. Kocis knows that this may cause his house of cards to collapse. Rather than say nice knowing you and good luck, he mounts a campaign to intimidate and discredit the model. His desperation in emails and phone calls is palpable. Disaster strikes. The model reveals what both he and the model have known from the beginning, that the model was under age at the time of filming, and that the films that secure the underground line of credit are worthless.
The next sixteen months are a maelstrom of desperation. Distributors won’t touch him or his product. Worthless assets. Declining revenue. Mounting interest payments. Repeated threats. He hires lawyers who won’t be paid more than the initial retainer to file lawsuits against insolvent defendants. (Ask Sean Macias what he cleared, or better yet his partners, if he has any.) The underground lenders conclude that they won’t get their money, and decide to make an example of Kocis for the gay porn industry.
Cut to Virginia Beach and Joe and Harlow, who are just as broke and desparate. It is whispered in their ears that maybe they will be allowed to live if only they do this one thing. The whisperers know that Joe and Harlow are incompetent and will be caught, but they also know that these two mooks will not be safe even in prison if they talk.
September 28, 2008 8:10 PM"
Update: Well well well, look at this...
87 comments:
...and now, let me see if I can make it more readable...screen caps may not be the way to go here...
I just spent a couple of hours on the blower with Dewayne, who doesn't agree, saying this is an earlier, discarded police theory of the case. I'm sticking by it for now. The whole financial sector crisis reminded me how important credit is to a small business. Unless you are rich to begin with or have a rich sponsor, you can't make money without being able to borrow money. The bankrupt, uncreditworthy Kocis got a bankroll somehow and kept rolling it over for three years.
OK this'll do!
Geoff's theory makes great sense!
I am not sure about the "cut to Va Beach part" Harlow and Joe being hired to do the deed by X- but then again I would not bet against Geoff on this.
I think this theory is fine, until you get to the part linking the "underground lenders" with Harlow and Joe. Now we are on really swampy ground.
Cut to Justin Hensley's roommate testimony, for example. Justin was pretty specific as to what Harlow and Joe were thinking prior to the murder: They wanted Brent, wanted him bad, and wanted Bryan and this inconvenient settlement delay out of the way, immediately.
Justin (or the other informer) never mention any "whisperers."
Harlow and Joe never mention any "whispers" to Sean and Grant either, in the CCTs, BBTs, or anywhere else that we know.
So, you know, thats the main problem with this theory, I think. Not only the total lack of any evidence connecting Bryan's whining sore-loser investors with H&J, but the lack of such evidence at moments where we'd really expect to see it.
Where did Joe, an unemployed Pentacostal dropout and Marine Corps kick-out, and Harlow, an unemployed Navy dropout, get the startup capital and ongoing operating capital for Norfolk Male Escorts and its affiliates? Did they use prostitution income to qualify for a mortgage on the Stratem Ct. house? Did Joe's parents invest? Did the same or allied investors bankroll Joe and Harlow that bankrolled Creepy Kocis?
Joe and Harlow had no incentive to inform Justin Hensley or any other associate, including Sean and Grant, about their funding sources, especially if they were under pressure and being threatened.
Geoff, a man can make money without borrowing money.
We'll know soon enough when and if H&J accept a death sentence with brave dignity, and do not finger any erd or 4th party, and are unable to entangle Peter Pan or Cobra Killer in this. OR have some amazing new details to show us as promissed.
See Harlow said so very early on that there is much more to the story. And that yes it looks (really fucking bad) bad. AND that he will go to trial and tell the whole truth, and then let the jury decide his fate.
So I take that as yes he did it, and YESSSSSS there is some more details that make it almost okay.
Then he (a few weeks later) records a message via cell phone from jail for potential money friends to send cash for his defense. Sounding proud and in full "stud wonder" character until the end of that recording where his voice cracks and he sounds as if about to cry.
In other words (where I am going is that) Harlow has a lot to live up to for trial. And if opening statements do not finger that 3rd or 4th party with amazing and convincing details swiftly from the get go, then I will be disappointed.
If I am going to be bullshit by a (admittedly cute) lower level hustler/porn actor with such confidence and emotion, I want to be bullshit really good, because the Oscars were over at that point anyway.
Perhaps there is a third person running around free, and that their days are numbered? Harlow must be taken at his words at this point, and given his chance to tell us all the other parts of the story that we have been promised.
That is why the case in court will be interesting and worth all this time and energy we have spent on it, or else it will just be a sad and fast meltdown of tears and regret, broken promises and potential. Everyone walking out feeling short changed and lied to.
"Did the same or allied investors bankroll Joe and Harlow that bankrolled Creepy Kocis?"
Ah, I see where you are going with this. Yeah, this is definitely something that would be worthwhile to delve into.
It is certainly not outside the realm of possibility that a venture capitalist who invested in a gay porn startup in PA, would also invest in a similar east coast operation in VA. And there's your linkage!
First step in testing this theory would be to identify who Bryan's backers were...and then see if they had a stake in Boybatter as well.
Albert, a man can save money and then invest it and then make more money, but all these characters were flat broke and disreputable. Somehow they got bankrolled and had outwardly profitable Potemkin village businesses.
If you can get $25,000 bucks into your checking account (via selling your body), your $3,000 Macy's and $4,500 limit Visa are both in good standing, no late payments in the last 7 years, then yes, a $100,000 limit Visa card is within reach. And once you have that, than a matching Mastercard is a no-brainer.
Ok so far.... Then you get a morgage based on credit you already have, and at this point they were handing out morgages like ice cream cones.
I can see how they kept getting more and more credit based on credit and good payment history.
They worked it really good.
They could have been millionares had they gone slower and been more careful.
If it was not the VBPD on their trails, it was going to be drugs, if not drugs, then credit pulled, or else some really bad news from the testing clinic. And if not that, then some poor plans gone very wrong.
They were spiraling out of control on many levels. But I don't see any problem with them getting a cool million in credit with not much more than a few pairs of well fitting speedos and a sexy myspace page. The guy(s) at the bank might have agreed too!
"...and are unable to entangle ...or Cobra Killer in this."
Just a friendly reminder to try to avoid personal attacks or name calling vs fellow posters (which only recently came to include Grant).
"So I take that as yes he did it, and YESSSSSS there is some more details that make it almost okay."
Yeah I'd agree with that, Harlow has a story to pitch...but I don't think it'll involve any unindicted third parties.
I AM GUESSING his story will be more along the lines of 1) Joe brainwashed me to do it; and/or 2) Bryan tried to rape me, and I simply defended myself.
And I think both of the stories above are probably BS.
The crucial time period in Bryan Kocis life is a 12 month period June 2001 to May 2002.
During this time Bryan Kocis is arrested and faces charges which if taken to trial will see him convicted of Child Pornography,Rape and registration as a child molester.
His legal team led by Al Flora goes into hyperdrive resulting in greatly reduced charges which result in probation and NON Registration for Bryan.
Bryan is stuck with legal bills despite never seeing the inside of a courtroom.
And suspiciously high credit card bills.
The result in early 2002 Bryan declares bankruptcy for $239,000.
In December 2001 Bryan releases a DVD "Ethans College Buddies".
With somewhat haphazard and limited distribution this video is a hit.
Which attracts attention form those who have an interest in what sells in Gay Porn.
Sometime in early 2002 Bryan gets an offer
Motti Green owner of Pacfic Sun will distribute Cobra Video. With his second release Bryan had begun to film Bareback with his "couple" Ethan and Austin.
At the time the retail channel was very hostile to BB and many distributors were refusing to carry the videos. HDK and T.I.M. were self distributed.
Motti Green is a most interesting character and he had a home in Bryan's locale(Eastern PA)
I would certainly not be surprised if Motti Green provided some start up capitol in early 2002.
Lets not rule out the other possibility a family loan.
The interesting thing is, Motti does not really have to be an investor in Cobra per se, to be a suspect under this theory.
Pacific Sun was Cobra's distributor. So, when the order came down to do a physical recall of all Brent underage vids...guess who's on the hook? Motti.
Unless Motti was able to get a refund from Bryan (unlikely, if Bryan spent his proceeds on Rolexes and Masaratis), Motti is now out 100s of 1000s of dollars, and a warehouse full of useless scrap plastic.
And this is all without Motti being an investor! If he was, his personal financial stake in all this becomes even higher.
Like I said, Bryan had many enemies beyond those listed on the "known enemies" line on the initial investigation form.
"And this is all without Motti being an investor! If he was, his personal financial stake in all this becomes even higher."
Motti is now out of the business, walked away from it Jan. of this year. Hummm.....
http://www.xbiz.com/news/all/89354
I kind of doubt the family loan angle, although the surviving Kocises are certainly bitter and maintain a blog railing against those they believe have blood on their hands. Bryan seems to have been Santa Claus. For instance, it was he who summoned the limo the take the Kocis Klan and their special guests down to New York for the 4th of July in 2004. Small businessmen who are prudent don't hire limos until they are retired. Motti Green sounds like he might know some people who are interested in making some high interest sub-prime loans.
And one other bit of interesting Motti trivia, I just remembered: It was to Pacific Sun that Lee Bergeron attempted to sell Brent's BCO footage (ie, that Brent was never paid for).
So, we have this whole Bryan-Motti-Lee triangle going on...hmmm indeed!
So Motti wouldn't touch the BCO material with a ten foot pole or even a seven inch pole. Maybe he knew about the proposed Bryan-Lee backstab and knew what world of shit Bryan was in. I don't know what that means. I'm looking at Motti as the referal to a funding source who did so because he could profit as distributor if Bryan got bankrolled and started producing films in volume.
Jim said...
Pacific Sun was Cobra's distributor. So, when the order came down to do a physical recall of all Brent underage vids...guess who's on the hook? Motti.
Unless Motti was able to get a refund from Bryan (unlikely, if Bryan spent his proceeds on Rolexes and Masaratis), Motti is now out 100s of 1000s of dollars, and a warehouse full of useless scrap plastic.
And this is all without Motti being an investor! If he was, his personal financial stake in all this becomes even higher.
Not just the underage videos Jim.
All Brent Corrigan DVD's were contraband!
Bryan did not have ANY 2257 records for Brent Corrigan his fake ID from 2004 was not valid.
Now Bryan managed to jolly and fake his way with retail distribution of CreamB Boys and Naughty Boys Toys in late 2005 early 06. But during the summer of 06 when Fuck Me Raw was released and with the later release of TILABB in October 2006 Bryan found the retail channel wanted proof of 2257's for Corrigan.
A few emails and letters to Movie Mountain and TLA and they refused to even order TILABB.
Negotiations for a settlement began in early November 2006
Yes, I recall Cad mentioning a ways back that the thing Bryan was most anxious for out of the settlement was a verified copy of Brent's birth certificate, issued directly to him from the state of Idaho.
Gee, Geoff's comment sure did get around! The one place I managed to miss it was here. My reply is posted on PC's and DeWayne's sites, if anyone's interested.
Will repost here so we don't have to bounce around although its good for our blog traffic!
"The surviving Kocises maintain a blog"
Geoff, where is that?
The name of the blog??
Well, I've never posted the same comment in three different places before, but here goes, DeWayne!
Geoff, I actually think that scenario is plausible except for one thing: The plan hinges, as you say, on H & J staying silent out of fear for their lives. I guess the mobsters weren't taking into account the possibility of the death penalty, and the two mooks having nothing left to lose by talking.
Also, has anybody ever done an analysis of Kocis' actual financial status at the time of his death? Because I am not aware of his being in such desperate financial straits as those described by you.
But there is one possibility raised by the theory that I really like: Perhaps it was these "lenders" who put the bug in Joe's ear about the "million-dollar payday" he would realize if only Kocis was out of the way. If they thought H & J were stupid enough to get caught, they might have been basing it on his gullibility in buying into that scheme.
jim said... "Yeah I'd agree with that, Harlow has a story to pitch...but I don't think it'll involve any unindicted third parties.
I AM GUESSING his story will be more along the lines of 1) Joe brainwashed me to do it; and/or 2) Bryan tried to rape me, and I simply defended myself.
And I think both of the stories above are probably BS.
# 2) might not be so far fetched? But the jury will likely not agree.
I think the whole thing got way out of hand with Joe in control believing he had Harlow doing all of the risky part, with Joe keeping himself completely protected.
Geoff said,,,
"The surviving Kocises maintain a blog"
Blogger V.J. said...
Geoff, where is that?
The name of the blog??
V.J. we may have to wait for Geoff he is on the road today.
I kind of wonder what blog he was referring to myself ;)
Gentlemen--
I believe Geoff raises an issue that should be considered.
I think it is a lead that law enforcement would have pursued given the nature of Kocis' business. However, there was a syndicate of a fashion, but it existed within the circle of Kocis' investors and does not seem to have been part of an organized crime family. The question would be why is this not plausible?
Motti Green would have had to have gotten the permission of the crime boss to do a hit on Bryan Kocis. Two grifters would not have been tasked with offing Kocis. A hitman would have been contracted. Let's keep in mind that the preferred weapon of choice is a .22 caliber weapon with a single shot to the head. The .22 caliber handgun is preferred because the bullet fired from it is less likely to ricochet. Next, the professional hitman may leave a calling card. The common one is another gunshot to the mouth of the victim to symbolize the victim's having talked. Further, the hitman is less likely to do anything to draw attention to himself and then withdraw without starting a fire or stealing possessions from the corpse or his home. The idea would be a slow discovery of the victim's body, for up to 5 days with the idea being that any forensic evidence would have diminished value. For example, fingerprints, which are residuals/latents from the oils in the finger tips and palms of the hands, can become unreadable due to heat and cold and contamination such as flies. The surface a print is left on is also a factor. Also, some surfaces take usable prints better than others.
It is intriguing to believe that Harlow and Joe were made an offer to eliminate Kocis, but then the holder of the contract would have expected his terms to have been met--likely a stake in Brent Corrigan (the performer/money maker, not the company and trademark.) This never took place. The known record bears that out.
In brief, the Motti Green theory appears to have legs until the layers are laid back. This theory unravels when it becomes obvious that no clearances were obtained from crime family higher ups to be rid of Bryan Kocis.
rob said..." This theory unravels when it becomes obvious that no clearances were obtained from crime family higher ups to be rid of Bryan Kocis".
You would not be privy to this information. And if a hit was done well, you never would get this information regardless of how well connected you imagine yourself to be.
Furthermore, Motti would not have gotten or given any permission, he would not be involved in any hit because he was not the lender of funds unrecouped. The lender would be the higher up, and need not inform Motti of the unfortunate happenings that Korcis found himself in.
"syndicate of a fashion" or "organized crime family" I see not a difference. You piss off enough people karma has a way of getting you no matter what you call the family.
My own take is that Bryan made enough to pay back any loans he may have had many times over. Even if he bought cars and limo rides, etc. He could not have owed much to original lenders. His cheap productions was just that, cheap. He might have borrowed 20 grand or so...and not a few million anyhoo.
quickysrt said, "You would not be privy to this information."
Don't be so sure.
To quote my DeWayne, "These guys came from left field."
QS--
It is well known that a mob lieutenant like Motti Green would have to get the mob boss's permission to off anyone because ultimately it is the crime family and the known family cappas that take the heat of the police investigation. It was theorized that Bryan Kocis borrowed at least $250,000 to clear his bankruptcy and establish a gay adult film studio, with interest that is not chump change if the mob is fronting the cash.
If Motti Green had a problem with Kocis from collecting funds for distributing Cobra Video films and receiving the money his crime family had expended with hefty interest ( the loan was not being repaid as alleged) Green would have to talk to the crime boss and the crime boss's counselor for advice in how to proceed. These things progress from collection visits, to threats, to thugs thumping the recalcitrant borrower and causing some painful, but not life threatening injuries, to the thoroughly escalated "Pay up or else" final demand.
There are absolutely no hints of this in any of the record involving Bryan Kocis. Without that kind of proof, the elaboration of the mob did it and leveraged Harlow and Joe as hapless killers hypothesis fizzles like a spent rocket.
"It is well known that a mob lieutenant like Motti Green..."
Um...Other than having the perfect name for a Mafia boss (Motti Green...Motti is mobster-sounding enough...and then add Green - remember Moe Green from the Godfather? He's the one who got shot in the eye while getting a massage at the killing spree at the end of the film), why are we making this factual leap to saying he is a "mob lieuitenant?"
Jim--
I am not saying it. QS is inferring it. And thanks for proving from another direction that the hypothesis does not pan out.
And, to drive that point home, I wrote, "There are absolutely no hints of this in any of the record involving Bryan Kocis. Without that kind of proof, the elaboration of the mob did it and leveraged Harlow and Joe as hapless killers hypothesis fizzles like a spent rocket."
Thanks for asking.
QS writes, "Furthermore, Motti would not have gotten or given any permission, he would not be involved in any hit because he was not the lender of funds unrecouped. The lender would be the higher up, and need not inform Motti of the unfortunate happenings that Korcis found himself in."
Sorry, but in your scenario, you have made Motti Green, the mob's conduit for the funds. Don't delude yourself into thinking that cappas do the field work of delivering funds. That's what lieutenants do. Layers of insulation. Something else to consider. Prostitution also goes hand in glove with money laundering, another mob mainstay.
Again, nothing in the record, other than a shady Motti Green who is retired from Pacific Sun, evenly remotely suggests that a crime family backed Kocis' Cobra Video studio with funds.
Before you range to far into the plains on a "Will O' the Wisp," you would do well to remember the very threatening email Sean received from Kocis that mentions the upset Kocis believes Sean had created for his Cobra "investors." Very clearly, Kocis had cultivated a private source of funding for Cobra Video. Another reason from the known record that indicates that no syndicate, no mob, nor any kind of organized crime group had anything to do with Kocis' murder.
Geoff has an interesting theory, but in the end that is all that it is, a theory that does not take off.
rob said... "It was theorized that Bryan Kocis borrowed at least $250,000 to clear his bankruptcy and establish a gay adult film studio, with interest"
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I thought a bankruptcy clears out everything (except IRS debt) once and for all? And you are free to start over clean with no debt whatsoever?
Why would he have to consider that old debt anything more than past trivia not worth losing sleep over?
It was goodbye to the old concept of work, hello vacations of sex 'n fun and on with profits from new ventures.
I gotta admit that other than getting murdered, Bryan did know how to start over after a BK filing and "hit the ground running."
Almost makes you want to get into the industry and clean up some of that easy money. But the time has passed, and now you are competing with all kind of sites. Unless you can come up with a fresh new concept like "barely illegal"
or something, then forget it.
A producer approaches a prospective distribortor with an idea for expanding a porn line and says, I can have this going a lot quicker if I can get a cash infusion. The distributor writes a name and number on a slip of paper and hands it over. He later makes a quick introductory phone call, and has nothing further to do with the matter, except to expand his distribution business.
QS, in bankruptcy you can reaffirm a debt and pay it on terms with the lender even years after the bankruptcy filing. The only possible motive would be to make nice with the former lender so you can talk him into lending more.
I have read that opinions of a man, not based on first hand acquaintance, should be kept to one's self elsewhere. Tell that to victims of Adolf Hitler and other dictators; tell that to victims of the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski; tell that to victims of the Green River Killer; tell that to underage teen male victims of Bryan Charles Kocis. Those felonies Kocis was arrested on were statutory rape and related charges, major crimes. Good job of his lawyer to get those bargained down. Too damned bad that Kocis had film of the first encounter. So don't expect a pardon from anyone for not giving the deceased a pass on his perversion.
Deflection to Kocis's customers for what those customers believed was legitimate adult film, as stated by the US Code 18, Sect. 2257 Compliance Notice at the beginning of his films and on the box art at the back of the boxes in fine print state is a switch. But not in US law. It is the producer's responsiblity, not the customer's to do the checking and that is why any customer of the films in question will not be at fault and not tracked down by law enforcement. This is not a situation of buyer beware, but one of porn producer compliance, and in the case of the deceased, poorly done and even circumvented to the point of faked documents being created and vouched for and records not kept accessible. That is problem for Kocis/Cobra Video successors. You can bet the custodianship issue is being worked for the simple reason that it opens the door to other federal charges.
A question developed regarding who is the current custodian of the 2257 records. It sure as Hell IS NOT Cpl. Hannon of the PSP. Nor is that custodian the PSP itself. Some fool blew it by stating that the PSP had control of the 2257 records.
Yes, "Let's look at the facts... the fact is that Bryan was never found guilty of having sex with a minor." That would be sheep dipping. The truth is Kocis was pleaded down on a lesser charge, but charged Kocis was, and he got a year's probation for his not-so-legal conduct with a minor.
A post by Albert below. It's fine, I think, but only after removing two references to another poster, which I just did, if you don't mind. And the two tiny edits don't change the post much at all, IMO:
Hi Jim, I originally submitted this in response to a series of attacks on Brent etc., on PC's blog. For whatever reason, he did not print it. That's cool. It is his blog. I offer to you what I just put on DeWaynes blog. I put it in the comments of the post before the current "Tell Me," post. Tell Me is a great short flick and Brent Corrigan's first non-porn role on video. Check that one out for sure.
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Discussing the Custodian of Records as cited on box covers of Cobra Videos is discussing history. The two separate Kocis family web sites I mentioned on PC‘s blog, are being published continuously as we speak with obviously false information.
They are here,
http://www.cobravideo.com/compliance.htm
http://www.brentcorriganxxx.com/compliance.html
The Kocis family has had plenty of time to inform us of their true custodian of records and refuses to do so in blatant violation of Federal Law.
PC, DeWayne and I have had plenty of direct interaction with Bryan. It was through his character that I became able to recognize him. He always used an alias. He was so brave. The man hated DeWayne and I because we could see through him. Bryan was fond of arguing for the lowering of the age of consent. He felt that if he could get a model to lie about his age, then Bryan was off the hook for any responsibility. That is the way Bryan's brain worked.
We know Bryan fucked underage boys. He filmed himself doing it. The courthouse in Luzerne County did not think that was a big deal. That is something Luzerne County and the Sate of Pennsylvania will be pointed out for, whenever I see the opportunity.
In his final moments, Bryan, true to his nature, referred to Brent Corrigan as, 'the product.' That was in front of a man who desperately wanted to have sex with Brent. That was a really bad move on Bryan's part. We know the result.
Bryan's little studio did some decent work. He was making some money. Only after all of Brent Corrigan's scenes for his four underage movies were filmed did Bryan demand a physical ID from Brent. NEVER BEFORE THAT TIME. Bryan knew Brent was underage. When he realized he had a gold mine in Brent, then he knew he had to try and cover his ass so he could keep using Brent. In the end, it did not work. Obviously.
Did Bryan deserve to die this way. I doubt that will ever be known. As bloody as a throat cutting may be, this would have been a very quick and nearly instantaneous death. The brutality that followed with the mutilation of the corpse is another subject.
Michael Kocis attempted to accuse Brent of the death of his son. That is very telling of the Kocis family tree that Bryan fell from.
Brent risked his life to help solve this murder. Obviously the Kocis family does not appreciate that.
I know they want the money that Brent Corrigan's image can generate. That is why they have not just the Cobra website. The Kocis family has an entire website dedicated to nothing but promoting Brent Corrigan. They know where their money comes from. They know what really makes Cobra money.
Publish Reject (Albert) 9:44 AM
I felt a little uncomfortable slaughtering a corpse last night.
Bottom line for me,
I agree with everything Albert said.
"pc, Dewayne and I have had plenty of interaction with Bryan"
That is interesting, I did not know pc had interaction with Bryan.
My opinion is not a fan endorsement of Brent-
I feel towards him like he was a family member [of sorts]- why I have never and will never watch a porn with him in it.
I do care about him and if it were up to me this would all have a happy ending with him going off to some higher education situation and living happily ever after- right out of the porn business, but this is real life.
Anyway, if BC was not as obviously strong [willed] as he is, he never would have made it this far- alive.
The public beating/humiliation that he took from Bryan Kocis-while he was alive was IMO more than most people of any age would/could take.
I remember thinking "what is Bryan Kocis trying to do- get this kid to kill himself?"
That was during the email slaughter.
"The public beating/humiliation that he took from Bryan Kocis-while he was alive was IMO more than most people of any age would/could take.
I remember thinking "what is Bryan Kocis trying to do- get this kid to kill himself?"
That was during the email slaughter."
I would have to think, being in the porn industry at this time themselves (where they would feel a professional need to keep abreast of controversies like this), Harlow and Joe were witness to this "email slaughter" as well.
And that being the case, I wonder if their impulse to murder Kocis first took root back then, as a result?
I would have to think..
Harlow and Joe a witness this email slaughter as well"
jim,
that is exactly what I thought Harlow was referring to when he stated "it felt like I got revenge!"
exactly.
"That is interesting, I did not know pc had interaction with Bryan."
I haven't... never met the man, nor even ever heard of him until after the murder.
VJ--
You misread the line. It should be a colon or even a dash as in PC: Dewayne and I . . . .
Yes, Kocis had a diabolical motive in mind. That is the reason for the backdoor deal, and Kocis and others might as well make money off of that underlying motive. Driving Sean to kill himself would have solved many problems and issues.
Very simply put, a 40 something male will always be considered to have the leverage in a relationship with a 16 to 25 year old male, with suspicion falling to the lack of power in the relationship between a 16 yo to 20 yo male vs. the 40 something. Hence, statutory rape statutes. Appearances don't cut it in the law. Otherwise, kindly little old men and sweet little old ladies (remember the old maids who served poisoned wine to their borders?) would get away with murder.
pc,
I am sorry!
I misread that-
ROB,
Thank You for pointing that out!!
V.J., it wasn't just you, I thought that's what it meant too, and I wondered, "Hmmm, what is PC not telling us?" So it's good it got cleared up!
VJ--
No problem. Glad to have clarified to avoid confusion.
Jim my "motive theory" has always been simple.
After getting into it(the argument over Norfolk Male Escorts) on the phone with Grant, Joe realized he needed to be rid of Bryan AND Grant in order to work with and ultimately control Brent Corrigan.
This is logical thinking for a man who was more a PIMP than Pornographer! (they usually violently rid themselves of competition)
Indeed Joe's competitor in Male Prostitution in Norfolk had his throat slit in an attack(he survived) this man has LOUDLY proclaimed that Harlow or Joe was responsible.
Unfortunate that he never saw his attacker.
Joe would have remembered Grant's admonition in Vegas that he (Grant) would be suspect #1 if something happened to Bryan.
Seriously folks Joe is NOT a complicated individual.
He sees something its all about impulse,,and planning is an afterthought.
The idea to kill Bryan and hope to see Grant arrested was an obvious plan (right out of the movies)however the execution was flawed from the beginning.
Must we rehash the ineptitude? :)
Then there was Joe's problem with Harlow.
Yes you may not have heard about this...
Harlow wanted out
of the relationship with Joe, the prostitution everything.
I had an email last year from one of the escorts he said J & H had a huge fight over expenses and Joe's out of control spending. Harlow apparently walked in as Joe was on the phone to Citibank asking for a credit limit increase.
Harlow said he was leaving,,
Joe said the ONLY way he would be ALLOWED to go, (he said he would pursue Harlow)he had to bring on board a replacement.
A Replacement Escort
Brent Corrigan
you don't think Joe was thinking about JUST Porn do you?
He wanted BOTH a Resident Porn Superstar AND a STAR Escort!
Joe's Fantasies were as big as his EGO!
At the time(March 2007) I wondered about this comment,,but in the last year we have learned a lot more about Harlow and Joe.
I think the comment was real and revealing!
Joe wanted Brent Corrigan and if it meant killing Bryan Kocis, getting Grant put away AND sacrificing Harlow
Well Joe was a PIMP
I think I said that before.
Interesting theory.
It does bring to mind one of the last things Joe said during that post-arrest "interrogation" transcript (the one that was excluded): Joe asked Hannon whether Grant had been arrested too.
And here's another possible motive aspect: the current subprime mortgage crisis.
AS those of you who follow the regular news know, this is the Big Story going on in this country today. It is going to heavily influence the presidential election; and according to some hysterical predictions, unless we as a country spend $700 billion on a massive "bailout" we are on the verge of another Great Depression.
The cause of the crisis was the recent trend of banks to grant mortgages to people with less than stellar credit..."subprime mortgages." More often than not, these mortgages tempted in these bad credit borrowers with low "teaser rates" that after a fixed amount of time, ballooned into much higher monthly mortage payments...often putting these people (who in more conservative olden days of banking would have NEVER qualified for a home loan) into foreclosure.
As these teaser rates expired, more and more sub-prime homes went into foreclosure. The banks put thse foreclosed properties on the market, which depressed real estate prices...which made refinancing more difficult for everyone...including responisble borrowers. This generated more foreclosures...etc...basically, a cascading effect occured here, which lead to the financial mess we are now in today.
Question to ponder: Were Harlow and Joe among these foolish "subprime" mortgagees? Did they buy their Stratum Court home with one of these infamous "teaser rates," which then expired...right before the murder, perhaps?
The only thing I don't understand about DeWayne's theory is how even somebody as primitive and dimwitted as Joe could possibly think a person who can establish that they were 3,000 miles from the scene would be held responsible for the murder. Didn't that occur to him before his admission to Renee that Grant and Sean were in the clear because of their obvious alibi? Oh, and speaking of Sean, didn't it occur to him that his fantasy trophy boy might also get arrested as an accessory if by some miracle the police had accused Grant?
jim your theory is a good one.
I believe they got one of those teaser rates and may have indeed been in for some trouble
IMO, they had much grander schemes and were not worrying about the house, I mean if all went well, they could of course get a much grander one.
Somebody retrieve the MLS listing for 1028 Stratem Ct. If the loan is assumable, the name of the mortagee and the terms of the mortage will be disclosed so that agents and buyers are aware of financing options for negotiation purposes.
Gentlemen--
The discussion around the mortgage rate for Harlow's and Joe's home opens the intrigue.
It also gets me wondering about the money laundering charges against them Virginia Beach PD was contemplating filing. Any ideas?
For a particular blogger--
Hope you are settling in. Getting used to the fog?
Don't bet the townhouse on the Grant news from your site. Fact is Sean hasn't moved out and he still works with Grant as his business partner.
Renee what you thought you heard in PA. . . you have a pattern of serious contradictions. If you had anything, you would have plastered it up in a blog.
"Somebody retrieve the MLS listing for 1028 Stratem Ct."
The house has been off the MLS for quite some time now... but H & J still own it, as there's been no changes to the VB real estate records.
Surely no one has made a mortgage payment on 1028 Stratem Ct. for a year and a half now. If it is in default, then the mortgage lender needs to seize it. If it is the fruit of a crime, then the Commonwealth needs to seize Joe and Harlow's interest. If I still lived in VB, I would canvass the neighborhood and find out wtf and also ask about Renee and her shit.
Geoff Harvard said...
Surely no one has made a mortgage payment on 1028 Stratem Ct. for a year and a half now. If it is in default, then the mortgage lender needs to seize it. If it is the fruit of a crime, then the Commonwealth needs to seize Joe and Harlow's interest. If I still lived in VB, I would canvass the neighborhood and find out wtf and also ask about Renee and her shit".
Charges have been dropped against H/J as it stands now concerning the VB business. The house is worth less then the original unpaid loan amount.
But I also was wondering is H/J and Renee both had their dream houses melt away at the same time for the reason Jim has suspected. Or was it simply job lost, income in free fall, Texas here we come!!!
I also wonder how many homes on that block are up for sale? And what the prices are for those houses?
Did the Harlow house get new normal showers installed, and it fixed back to a regular house? Or did the bank decide to cut their losses and not drop one wasted cent into that sink hole?
I would love to snatch up a bargain priced house someday soon.
"I would love to snatch up a bargain priced house someday soon."
History has shown that if you have the cash just laying around, this is the best time to purchase real estate, yes.
"I also wonder how many homes on that block are up for sale? And what the prices are for those houses?"
None are for sale at this time. I believe the last one that did sell, went for around $459,000.
QS--
You write, "I would love to snatch up a bargain priced house someday soon."
The former tom cat bordello in Virginia Beach for instance? You could invite PC over and enjoy cauppachino and biscottie on the terrace while you take the midday sun.
jim,
You are right and it is bizarre.
Right now you can buy a 5 bedroom house for 250K asking- over here.
Everyone go back and re-read the 1927 Hemingway short story, The Killers. The text is not available online any more, but it is anthologized in the Snows of Kilimanjaro paperback. Hollywood missed the point in its two feature length adaptaions in 1946 and 1964, but I always thought it would make a nifty short film if you could get the goddamned Hemingway estate to sell you the rights for less than a billion dollars. Apparently about half a dozen attempts have been made in the last decade. I would cast Cameron Lane as George, Brent Corrigan as Nick Adams, and Bryan Phillips as Ole Andreson.
Geoff Harvard said...
Everyone go back and re-read the 1927 Hemingway short story, The Killers.
http://www.geocities.com/cyber_explorer99/hemingwaykillers.html
Thanks, QS. Who says this blogger shit aint educational?
These people had REAL problems, like prohibition.
Whaddaya got on tap?
Bevo.
Bevo??
Bevo!!
Is that like, We are Bevo??
Geoff, I am sorry, I can't. Major reason, I don't have the time for at least the next six months.
My alternative lack of motivation is that my 'Introduction to Literary Analysis' course in my first year of college, so turned me off to Hemingway, Fitzgerald and Saul Bellow, I have not and will not read anything from those guys again, ever.
Boring as shit for an 18 year old.(Fortunately, I am still that guy in many parts. :) )
The Barresi thread over on jc adams is a riot, if anyone is interested.
Geoff I disagree the 1946 version (The Killers) is an exceptional film noir. The first act faithfully reproduces the short story, not surprising considering John Huston wrote it!
The later story is of course original to the film.
As for Hemingway's Short story,,,
I get your assumption here that Bryan Kocis somehow "knew" he would die violently.
I agree with you there
A essentially cautious man he recklessly invited an unknown model to his home for an interview.
Alone.
Except in the days BEFORE "Danny Molina" arrived Bryan Kocis learned Danny was in fact Harlow Cuadra an escort from Virginia Beach not PA as he had been told.
A sensible man might have backed out or suggested a public meeting place esp since "Danny" had asked to be "alone" and was now a known liar!
No Bryan seemed to have either a sense of "invulnerability"
or he simply did not care.
I have a better idea
Bryan was the third man in his own murder.
For a reason
Geoff I might add I re read the story and the last we see of the "Killers" as they walk down the street I am thinking hmm EH wrote that like a deadpan vaudeville skit.
I swear I had not read this.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0403/is_1_45/ai_54895476/print
Everyone should RE-read a great novel or short story every decade or so you will uncover new insights.
I read the Killers first at 16 or 17 what in the hell does a teenager understand ;) I thought the story a crashing bore then like most of Hemingway.
30 years later Hemingway means something else entirely.
FYI Bevo "Bee-vo" was a "near bear" or gutless wonder brewed during Prohibition. A lot of brewers had to find a new product,including Anheuser-Busch the Bevo building still in use in St Louis.
Ovaltine anyone? another malt barley product still sold.
Albert, it only takes ten minutes, and it won't hurt. Thanks to quickysrt, it isn't inconvenient. Actually, in novels like The Sun Also Rises, the Protestant raised unbeliever, Hemingway, turns out to be a pretty effective Catholic apologist.
I can see the contemporary actors, Dennis Franz and Dennis Farina, as Max and Al, doing the dialog as a vaudeville bit like the Abbott and Costello Who's on First. Or any old Burns and Allen bit. They have to be old and jaded, and George and Nick have to be very young and intimidated.
Geoff, Dewayne, VJ, Albert, and Jim--
My subject field has found me rereading Faulkner's The Sound and the Fury, in both the original without Appendix version and the later with Appendix version more than a dozen times. Each time some new insight and even information I had missed on my very first reading as a junior majoring in English language and literature.
Do you realize that Faulkner's novel can be read from several different starting points. For example, a reader can place the segments in order by the calendar dates that mark the four sections (chronological order, from oldest to newest or reverse, newest to oldest). Each of those various readings will yield information skimmed over in other reads.
Saul Bellow is one of the better 20th Century American fiction writers. His themes are contemporary and involve an American Jewish persceptive on live in contemporary American society and culture.
F. Scott Fitzgerald did his best work characterizing the Jazz Age and Art Deco with the Josephine Perry short stories. The Great Gatsby detailed American cynicism regarding Prohibition as well as the inroads Suburbia was making on American city life.
Hemingway liked to present the image of the strong, masculine, sexual American male. His constant theme was "Grace under pressure." Where Faulkner sentences could run paragraph length, Hemingway used nearly stark, straightforward language, unadorned to make his points. Each one of these novelist/short fiction writers presented America emerging from its national growing pains from a fragile former British colony to an independent nation of free thinkers who are determined, gritty, hard scrabble and resolved to achieve the goals of a modern, technological minded society.
I don’t’ want to engage in wild speculations about what I really don’t know the details of. I don’t intend to engage in any speculations here but I feel compelled to agree with some things I believe to be true amidst this speculative clutter. There are many statements here I agree with and many I do not. A couple things I most emphatically agree with are:
“Bryan knew Brent was underage. When he realized he had a gold mine in Brent he knew he had to try and cover his ass so he could keep using Brent. In the end, it did not work. Obviously.
Brent risked his life to help solve this murder. Obviously the Kocis family does not appreciate that.”
“Anyway, if BC was not as obviously strong [willed] as he is, he never would have made it this far- alive.
The public beating/humiliation that he took from Bryan Kocis-while he was alive was IMO more than most people of any age would/could take.”
Now I will speculate (sorry) about the motive for this crime. These two fucked up individuals thought that they could manipulate someone who was far beyond their level of intellect and integrity and who had a man beside him who was more experienced in the ways of the world than they were. The incredibility stupid idea (most criminals are basically stupid) that they could manipulate Brent into being an accomplice after the fact in the murder of Brian Kocis is a classic case of thuggish stupidity. All this talk of secret things going on behind the scenes is to me balderdash. It is to me just a simple case of stupid criminal minds thinking they could commit a murder and gain wealth from it.
Ernie--
Bryan Kocis, a liar? Not news to me or most anyone else excepting BB perhaps.
I think you are spot on with the two murdering grifters.
Good points Ernie!
BTW, Ernie You are one Very Talented artist.
I love your work, the stuff you have done with Brent- again great talent!
The picture you did of the Merman is my favorite!
Thank you so very much VJ.
When I thought up the Brent Nation Flag I didn’t have much experience with the graphics thing. I just did the best I could with what I had and I don’t have a lot of money to buy 2 to 3 hundred dollar programs. Later, when I found that I could download a free widows based program that could do the most wonderful things with images I was ecstatic! I owe it all to the people who created GIMP.
rob, your worse thyan a broken record. shut up and stop mentioning BB.
it has been established and proven you are a liar with zero credibility, yet you continue to rant all things BB. idiot, yes, you are.
BB--
Thanks for the endorsement. I am not going anywhere and least of all for the likes of you.
If there has been a liar here, it has been you and that dear boy has been your undoing.
The credibility factor? Rich coming from you. You've been traveling. Authorized?
"Rob, you['re] worse thyan (sic) a broken record. shut up and stop mentioning BB."
Why should I BB? Got something to hide? You should pick better allies.
Ach, this thread ends with an encounter between BB and rob, not with a bang but a whimper. Rob is misguided in some respects, not the least his view of Hemingway. BB just shares DNA with Creepy Kocis.
Geoff--
That isn't the only thing he shares.
And as for Hemingway, his short stories have always been considered better than his novels. That is why William Faulkner won the Nobel Prize for Literature first for his novel, The Sound and the Fury, and Heminway finally won the Nobel Prize, later, for his novella (long short story), The Old Man and the Sea after Faulkner.
Old man and the sea. That could apply to you Chief.
fake secret agent, you should try it sometime - travel.
it expands the mind and can change views - on and about life in general.
now lets go back to your earlier claims. RW being in house of kocis night of murder, you claimed photographic proof to back up this claim. where is the proof?
where is the proof kocis and wagner were lovers?
where is proof of anything spewed out of your small mind?
dont bother to answere, it is known and proven all your claims are lies.
back to the travel you raised.
it is a wonderful world. truely marvelous.
go experience it if you can afford it :)
time to get out of the hole you call home.
"BB just shares DNA with Creepy Kocis."
keep your bb/kocis fantasy to yourself eh :)
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