Thursday, September 4, 2008

CC in AA

This photo may be a thing of the past for witness #172 of the 385, as according to the latest from Jason Secrest:
"In other "show" news last week, I was surprised to find an incredibly sober Caleb Carter at Here Lounge for our Friday happy hour show from 6:30 pm - 9:00 pm. Carter says he's now a proud member of AA, a far cry from the boy we knew on MTV's True Life."
Hmmm. Well, if he's serious, you know what I say? Good for him! I wish him all the best in this personal lifestyle correction for the better.

78 comments:

Geoff Harvard said...

If he is sincere, let's see if he carries out Steps Eight and Nine with regard to his scurrilous statements about Grant Roy and Sean Lockhart. And if he is sober, what is he doing on Jason Fucking Curious?

will g said...

Me too. Stick to it, CC!

BB said...

BB wishes CC good luck with the AA.

CC stands by his story, as he should. He repeated the truth.

The same can not be said for those he spoke about.

jim said...

"He repeated the truth."

In vino veritas?

Somehow, I don't think people are going to generally see it that way.

Anonymous said...

If true,
Good For You, Caleb Carter.
Could change your life,
or better yet give you one!

Consider making the "Here Lounge" Happy Hour history.

One step at a time.

Anonymous said...

geoff,
takes a little time-
imo, he should not be even thinking about 8 & 9 now-
just 1.
Concentrate on 1.

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Drunks always make the best witnesses LOL

From the pix on Jason I would say CC got Sober just in time damn he is not even 30 yet!

Serious though if he is trying the AA bit good luck it don't work well for gay bois and agnostics! ;)

Anonymous said...

"it don't work well for gay boiz and agnostics"

If one is willing to concede they are powerless over alcohol and that their life has become unmanageable -
step one -
The most important one.
They stand a chance-

If they are able to come to believe in a power greater than themselves, I call mine God-
others do not have to -
just be willing to believe that power that is greater than themselves can restore them to sanity-
They are then on their way-
These are foundation steps and very important whether you are gay or agnostic.
You must attend meetings regularly, if you do not you forget your problem, when you do attend regularly [every day is good]
you are reminded of the horrors of our addiction and that may just keep you sober for that day-
it is a one day at a time program and a simple program- for complicated people.
I wish for him that he "gets" it-
it is a beautiful life with many spiritual benefits, very rewarding and enriching.
Unforunately maybe one in a 100 make it to see decent sobriety.
It is probably what distresses me the most about the program -
seeing friends -people you care about who you thought were making it and one day they are right back out-
Call of the wild got them-
They never fully conceded to step one.
dewayne had a very good point-
there does not seem to be many gay people in my group-
few agnostics- some of those however do have good sobriety.
There are "gay only" groups that may work better for some.
Just never thought I had to be in a "gay" group-
We share a similar addiction- that is enough.

DeWayne In San Diego said...

VJ I was hoping you might say something I threw that statement out to kind of "stir it up" ;)

You and just about everyone here knows I certainly wrestled with Tina (the true modern scourge of gay men)and I have friends who have seen success with AA and THAT program.

For me it would not work and not because of God.

I simply do not believe the main conceit of AA that we are powerless to control addiction!

This absolves us of ALL Responsibility for our Actions.

It was when I recognized my own problem (a twin problem of Tina AND Sex addiction) and the POWER I had to put a Stop to it, that is when I changed.

We are the ultimate authority, the gatekeeper to what we put in our mouths or our body.

If AA works for many (and it does) then thats great and I do not deny that success.

But we are not all cut from the same cloth. I have a good friend who after 40+ years of drinking quit cold turkey May 23 2003 he has not had a drink since.

We all have the power with in us to change and in the end if its alone or at AA I am sure you will agree YOU have to want Sobriety?

Rob said...

If Caleb is serious, he is to be commended. His will be a struggle everyday, every hour, every minute.

BB--Caleb's statement, given with the courage of distilled spirits, is worthless. His source, Tyler Mason, spiked Carter's account. You got caught with your pants down.

Albert said...

The basic premise of AA is in error. No one is powerless over alcohol unless they have chosen to be. The obvious solution, choose differently.

Geoff Harvard said...

Albert I have learned not to to question other people's qualifications in these matters or even to be concerned about them, but no one gave me the choice to be a drunk any more than anyone gave me the choice to be queer. In the latter case, it dawned on me at 14, I cried about it and asked why me once, and moved on. In the former case, I sprinted out of the starting gate at 17 and didn't look back until about three years later. That's nearly 40 years ago and sometimes it's still a problem. People think I am a lot funnier and sweeter when I'm plowed.

By the way, I will be coming out to SOCAL in October to make my porn directorial debut in the exciting video starring Caleb Carter, Aaron Phelps, and Connor Ashton, "Not With a Borrowed Dick."

BB said...

"For me it would not work and not because of God.

I simply do not believe the main conceit of AA that we are powerless to control addiction!

This absolves us of ALL Responsibility for our Actions."

that is VERY good insight.

you are to be congratulated on beating your own addictions. in this i am sincere, well done Dewayne.

Anonymous said...

Not Fair!!
A good discussion and I have to run to work-
Be Back! :)

Anonymous said...

"I simply do not believe the main conceit of AA that we are powerless to control addiction.
This absolves us of ALL Responsilbility for our Actions."

Speaking of alcohol [not drugs, although I would not change it much]
An alcoholic, after he takes the very first drink, is consumed with the phenomenon of craving.
He HAS to have more.

Whether some people want to say that is weakness,
or whether some people want to say an alcoholic "cannot" control his drinking.
I [as well as many others in AA] believe an alcoholic, once he has had the first drink cannot control his drinking.

Like everything everybody has their opinions :)
I respect everybodies!

What has worked and continues to work for me and countless others is AA.
Now at the risk of sounding like a cult member, which I am not-
Turning my will and my life over to God [as I understand Him],
practicing the 12 steps of AA-
in all my affairs - everyday- [I am not perfect, at all],
and help another alcoholic who is suffering- to get better.
Attending meetings regularly, because alcoholics think they are no longer alcoholics- really, really fast-
Attending those meetings and seeing the front line of the disease- God forbid, someone who while in a blackout drove over a 17 year old on his bicycle- etc.
and they were not a "bad person" just somebody with an out of control drinking problem like us [AA's]-
those stories are sad and endless, and rock you to your core.

dewayne if you are able to "stop" using of your own free will I honestly say good for you and anyone else who thinks they can "control" their drinking, that is absolutely their business, but if you think that you cannot- I cannot-
then AA is there to help and I am eternally grateful for that.

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Thanks bb

and yes I am sincere and I do hope Caleb is successful.

DeWayne In San Diego said...

VJ there is also a difference in Alcoholics or addictive personality and yes its Genetic!

My Grandmother gave me the "family speech" when I was around 18,19 when she became aware I drank occasionally. "Honey we don't drink in this family or we are Drunks no middle ground. We are Scots after all!"

I then reminded Gramma that Mom was adopted so I wasn't really Scot.

She smiled sweetly and said your father is 1/4 Indian they are no better at liqueur than we are!"

Okay point is some people in my family my sister in particular admit to the craving for alcohol I never experienced that so I thought I was safe until I tried Meth then BAM Oh God no self control!

I do see one big difference though which might explain my success.

You cut yourself OFF from your fellow druggies! And VJ we don't see little packets of Tina in every grocery like you do Alcohol!

If we did I would be in DEEP SHIT!

Anonymous said...

dewayne asked about responsibility and saying you are powerless over alcohol - does that absolve you of your responsibility.

Now I am speaking on my own here and certainly not for AA.
I believe you are responsible for your actions.
I also believe if you have a drinking problem you are responsible for seeking help.
Those most definately are your responsibilities, when you walk through the doors of AA with a sincere desire to stop drinking you are lead on a path to be able to stop drinking and deal with your responsibilities and the wreckage you may have caused in your past. It is not all easy but it is mapped out. You have to have that desire.
The eighth step helps you make amends to people you have harmed in the past. Each step has a reason and they flow, in an order for a reason. It covers the bases.

Caleb, when I saw him recently in a video- inwardly I was disgusted [not an emotion I am suppose to really have towards someone with an obvious drinking problem, but I did, I thought- here is an absolute mess, waiting to get messier, and I thought there is so much help out there that there is no reason for this.
Next thing I know caleb is in A.A.
Great news, it made me happy.

Albert said...

Geoff, what a person 'is,' is indeed beyond their control. What they 'DO' is a matter of choice.
For me at this point, the amusing part is my agnostic boyfriend arrived at the same conclusion I did from a Catholic philosophical position.
As humans we have free will. That distinguishes us from all other life forms. We have freedom of choice.
I will admit I sometimes need help from DeWayne, my parents, my sons or somebody else in making a decision. The decision is still mine.
AA cannot work magic. 12 steps may help some people make a decision. In the end, they still make a decision. They choose not to drink. If that is something that benefits their life, good for them.
AA is in error in its major premise. You are not powerless. You may wisely seek some support in exercising your power, the freedom to choose.

Anonymous said...

"We don't see tina in packets in the grocery store"

Yeah, but dewayne to be able to STOP crystal, coke, or what have you-
cold-
even stopping hanging with "druggies" is remarkable-
the addict would "find" the dealer if he got the mindset in him at any given time.
Especially if he had a few cocktails in him then [the addict] is bee-lining for the dealer and he WILL find him.
I do think it is GREAT that you were able to stop on your own!
Always stay with that buddy!!

Your Grandma sounds like a riot! :)
scot & part indian????
dangerous drinkers those 2 groups:))

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Jim I want I want your widget,,in a bad way! Where did you find this?

Follow this Blog

jim said...

http://help.blogger.com/bin/answer.py?answer=99761

:-)

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Thanks Jim it would also help if I occasionally SCROLL down on my Blog Dashboard! ;)

jim said...

Let me know if you guys think this widget is more trouble than it's worth; it seems (to me) the page takes a bit longer to load as a result...

brynawel said...

The widget takes a bit long to load, the page itself loads at normal speed.

jim said...

Having "followers" makes me feel like I am a cult leader or something. :-)

Rob said...

No Jim. More like a wise and friendly sage for which we are all grateful.

Anonymous said...

bryn,
I love that picture,
motivated me to put Darlene back up!!! :)

Anonymous said...

LOL!!!!
jim-
"Cult of the Chinchillas"?? :)

will,
You CRACK ME UP,
THAT PICTURE!!!!!!!!!

You are not well!! LOL!!

PC said...

"Thanks Jim it would also help if I occasionally SCROLL down on my Blog Dashboard! ;)"

That makes two of us. :)

BTW... Jim, I haven't personally noticed a slowdown since you implemented the widget.

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Jim just don't go posting recipes for the "special koolaid" then I am outta here! ;)

Check the widgets list on Blogger they have added a few.

will g said...

V.J., stop making fun of my picture! I think it's hot.

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Will I didn't know you were into Daddy types! ;)

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Anonymous said...

Very strange comment on pc's blog today,
he will not allow retaliating comments on it.
From "bobbyjo"
"Joes downfall into homosexuality and all its carnal activities"
I mean how can you not comment on something like that.
It feels frustrating-
pc's response-
"Religion and the cause of someones sexuality are not part of the topic"
IMO, a comment like that was much bigger than what the topic at hand was and to let it go without commenting would be wrong.
It is human beings that are reading pc's blog not machines that "only process topic at hand and "do not react- under any circumstances" to completely ignorant comments made by ignorant people [jo].
IMO dangerous to let people like that slide by without commenting.
I respect pc and his blog but -
there are bigger things IMO, bigotry, ignorance, hatred-
that cannot go uncommented on.
Thank you for letting me go off topic- I had to get this out and pc will not allow it.

jim said...

Blog comments can go off on the wierdest tangents. I can't blame PC for wanting to stay focused.

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Actually I was going to respond to her as well and then I thought oh god that will get everyone going. Beside PC has said he wants to keep the comments tight and on topic.

Still when someone makes such a homophobic statement then he should have deleted HER comment as OFF TOPIC and nipped it in the bud.

Of course I started it with my response to Quickysrt but that is a legitimate avenue of discussion.
just not on topic...

Joes church had a lot to do with his self-loathing,indeed most homosexuals have this problem if they had any religious background.

PC said...

"Still when someone makes such a homophobic statement then he should have deleted HER comment as OFF TOPIC and nipped it in the bud."

I have ;)

Anonymous said...

"homophobic statement"
dewayne, thing that bothered me about "jo's" comment-
it was not just a single, homophobic, ignorant comment coming from "somewhere out in the blogosphere"
This is a husband/wife [bobby&jo] who comment pretty regularly- and if I am not mistaken she [jo] has commented in the past that she is a therapist who works with gay people.
Scary AND Ignorant IMO.

Anonymous said...

Correction to last comment-
"Counselor not Therapist".

Anonymous said...

"I can't blame pc for wanting to stay focused"

jim,
you are right!
just dawned on me "how" far off track and how fast it would have happened -
on that thread. :)

that comment stuck in my head for over a day!!

DeWayne In San Diego said...

VJ I am aware Bobbyjo has been on PC's blog a lot,A Therapist??? unlicensed no doubt or we can only hope!

BTW I drove by Lucky Bucks yesterday he is still open for buisness, it was lunch so there was a fair crowd (50% full)

I do wonder where he is getting his supplies,,Costco on the "cash and carry"

Website is not the only bill outstanding,,don't be surprised if someone with an "order to go" walks in and sizes Lucky Bucks Grill,bar stools,cash register,counter tops,lighting,decor,freezers and his sausage maker!

will g said...

V.J. said...

Correction to last comment-
"Counselor not Therapist"

Well, "counselor" to gay people only conjurs up one thing, for me anyway: conversion therapy, or something like it.

BB said...

"I do wonder where he is getting his supplies,,Costco on the "cash and carry"

why?

jim said...

Not sure, but LB does have a business history of callously stiffing his vendors...and I'm not just talking of Brent's scenes and BCO (although that is a perfect example).

Take a look (or re-look) at the once popular and successful gay ski weekend in Vancouver he ran into the ground a few years back, for example:

http://archives.xtra.ca/Story.aspx?s=2296730

http://www.xtra.ca/public/viewstory.aspx?AFF_TYPE=4&STORY_ID=1341&PUB_TEMPLATE_ID=2

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Jim do you know anyone with access to Lexis Nexis?

Time to start digging

check BOTH of his names

developing,,,

jim said...

"DeWayne In San Diego said...
Jim do you know anyone with access to Lexis Nexis?"

Sadly no.

DeWayne In San Diego said...

100 tons of Cliff crashed onto Blacks Beach today,
Just about 200 ft north of where Joe and Harlow, Sean and Grant were on Blacks beach in April 2007.

It is also the exact location Brad Posey used to shoot his boys on the nude beach (near bathtub rock)

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/17530078/detail.html?dl=mainclick

No one killed today but a Nevada man was killed last month at Blacks in a collapse 1% the size of this one.

jim said...

Obviously part of the Luzerne Cty conspiracy, to cover up the evidence. First, they demolish Bryan's house. Now, they demolish Blacks's Beach!

There is just no limit these dastardly fiends will go to frame poor Harlow and Joe...

BB said...

i have read the history of lee long ago - not good to say the least.

i do know that all involved in bco knew about his past before they formed bco.

that did not raise any flags then, so why does it matter now?

i think coz its someone else to blame for others mistakes.

they are constantly playing the blame game to divert attention from themselves.

i am told sean now says he is in love and this time it is "real". if true, good luck to him. i am also told his most recent X will not let him go and is using emotional blackmail to hang on to whatever it is he can get from sean. pathetic actions from the X.

i hope sean manages to break free eventually from his X. its the only way he can grow and develop as a young healthy adult and make the right choices for himself.

BB said...

"There is just no limit these dastardly fiends will go to frame poor Harlow and Joe..."

are people STILL claiming they were framed? gees.

jim said...

"BB said...
i have read the history of lee long ago - not good to say the least.

i do know that all involved in bco knew about his past before they formed bco.

that did not raise any flags then, so why does it matter now?"

True. Based on what they knew (ie, his drug-dealing past, his shady business dealings), S&G should have known better than to do business with Lee Bergeron.

Of course, Bryan should have known better too, but apparantly did brisk business with Lee anyways as well. I get the impression Bryan was as well informed as S&G were, if not more so.

Lee must be one of those likeable schmoozers with a gift for making people trust him undeservedly.

will g said...

BB said...

"i hope sean manages to break free eventually from his X. its the only way he can grow and develop as a young healthy adult and make the right choices for himself."

Who are you and what have you done with BB? The REAL BB wants Sean tried for murder then locked up. So this can't be right.

jim said...

LOL! Anyhow, the recent Queerty interview makes clear that Brent and his "X" are still partners, in the sense of business partners. Neither B nor "X" have complaints about each other as business partners. So, that's how things will probably be for a while, it looks like.

And yes, I know about the Queerty article! As you have noticed, I have not commented on it...as there is really nothing in it, Kocis related, to comment about. Brent's gonna be a witness, and is looking forward to it all being over soon.

All old news, really. Kocis stuff took up only a tiny portion of the interview, and it was all pretty ho hum. You get the distinct sense a welcome sense of calm and normalcy is finally coming to Brent's life.

Bad news for us bloggers, drama whores that we are...but good news for Brent, no doubt.

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Lee Bergeron

Think Remy McSwain

Dennis Quaid in The Big Easy (1987)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092654/

That picture you found Jim, of Lee in the pool shows he has the full package perfect for the flim-flam man!

He can charm the skin of a snake!

Its only afterwords you find out you have been cleaned out better than taking a fleet enema!

Remy McSwain and he has an authentic Cajun accent too!

some qoutes from Remy

"Just relax, darlin'. This is the Big Easy. Folks have a certain way o' doin' things down here."

"Anne Osborne: You're a cop for God's sake, you're supposed to uphold the law, but instead you bend it and twist it and sell it. I saw you take that bribe and, and resist arrest and tamper with evidence and perjure yourself under oath.

Remy McSwain: Don't forget I ran a red light too, huh."

"Anne Osborne: [Anne and Remy are on the scene of a triple murder] Why don't you believe that the killers were cops?
Remy McSwain: Because if they were cops, they would've stayed right here. And when we arrived, we would've found plants, guns, knives, all kinds of evidence that they resisted arrest. That's somethin' every cop in the world knows how to do.
Anne Osborne: That sure doesn't surprise me.
Remy McSwain: Oh yeah? Well, you probably know how to bribe a jury too, don't you?
[smiles wickedly]
Remy McSwain: Even though you probably never have, huh?"

and finally

"Anne Osborne: That's OK. I never did have much luck with sex anyway.
Remy McSwain: Your luck's about to change, cher"

Snake and if you think any of this would insult Lee Bergeron not a chance

He is laughing.

Good ole southern boy,,,

Geoff Harvard said...

Dewayne, I found Remy sympathetic if for no other reson that the crooked NO cops who were out to kill him were a lot worse.

Are there no fire hazards, electrical safety discrepancis, building code violations, or health code violations at Lucky Buck's? Doesn't the signage out front violate city code? These are all matters of public record; the newspapers publish them all the time. You SD people get busy.

Rob said...

On another blog it is reported, about BCO/LSG settling with Kocis and whether Sean could work in filming with Cuadra, emails from Kerekes to Grant Roy are presented. What is clear from Grant Roy's email is what I said last year at Elm's blog, proof in Grant Roy's own language that a mere "proposal," not contract, not deal, not even an "agreement" existed." No meeting of the minds and a lukewarm desire to work with Harlow and Joe.

This proves Kerekes' and Cuadra's dire fiscal shape and need for Sean and Grant to agree to film with them.

jim said...

Yep, true. Emails certainly shows there was never any pre-existing "deal." Yet more confirmation of this fact (as if any more were needed).

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Geoff Remy was a great role and I think one of Dennis Quaids best!

Oh Remy is a snake alright and he "becomes" sympathetic in the end only in relation to the EVIL cops.

But the death of his younger brother did bring home the reality that we are ALL responsible for corruption and Remy was part of the problem as well. Afterall the killer cops started out just like Remy! a little corruption 5 and 10 bucks at at time.

God has Ned Beatty ever played such an evil character?

Rob said...

Jim and Dewayne--

Flim flam artist barely covers Bergeron's background. A wake of dismayed, frustrated, upset, and angry investors and business associates trails him.

Hopefully, all that resonnates where it matters.

Anonymous said...

Thanks a lot guys!
I did not know anything about "queerty" til you brought it up. :)
Now I have a headache from getting into the comment section, and I am only about 1/4 of the way through! :)

Anonymous said...

2 quick things to say-

1. Keeping your personal life private- very smart move.

2. Stan the Merman was adorable!

BB said...

"Based on what they knew (ie, his drug-dealing past, his shady business dealings), S&G should have known better than to do business with Lee Bergeron."

They knew no better coz of their own shady dealings and breaking of contracts. They were well matched with Lee as a partner. They thought so too to form a company together. All peas from the same pod.

BB said...

"Who are you and what have you done with BB? The REAL BB wants Sean tried for murder then locked up. So this can't be right."

funny how you assume to know who the REAL BB is. that has been a problem for so many.

jim said...

But then it must be added, Lee was secretly dealing with Bryan behind their backs. Lee and Bryan, thick as theives...

So as you can see, the guilt-by-association here cuts both ways a plenty.

BB said...

"Neither B nor "X" have complaints about each other as business partners."

wrong. sean knows what he wants. what he wants does not include his "X". his "X" made threats to Sean to ensure he remains involved with Sean.

rather than face a kocis situation (the public trashing of each other), they reached an agreement - for now.

jim said...

Oh, I don't see any evidence of that at all.

BB said...

"Lee was secretly dealing with Bryan behind their backs."

i do not know if this happened. nothing backs up this claim in official documents.

i am not saying this did not happen. on this i simply do not know. no evidence or proof has been provided that i find acceptable.

BB said...

"Oh, I don't see any evidence of that at all."

i admit this is gossip - from a so far reliable source.

Anonymous said...

"what he want does not include his X"
ALL of that [the complete list of comments regarding B & G coming from bb]
sounds only like gossip.

jim said...

"BB said...
"Lee was secretly dealing with Bryan behind their backs."

i do not know if this happened. nothing backs up this claim in official documents.

i am not saying this did not happen. on this i simply do not know. no evidence or proof has been provided that i find acceptable."

I think the evidence is there AND official (it's Harlow on the BBTs) and I find it more than acceptable for the following reason: Harlow knew about the "condo" Lee (and Bryan) were procuring for Brent.

There is no other way Harlow could know about that, unless Lee was on that conference call too. EXACTLY as Harlow described the conversation.

Yes, you could say Harlow made the Lee stuff up...until you get to the condo. You have to explain the condo...which you can't.

Therefore, the Lee Story is true.

Which reminds me, I did a whole "musing" on that subject a while ago, didn't I...

jim said...

YEAH, here it is!

http://silenceofthechinchillas.blogspot.com/2008/02/more-musingsabout-lee-story.html

will g said...

BB said...

"i admit this is gossip - from a so far reliable source."

I thought he stopped drinking.

(Cheap joke. Apologies.)

Rob said...

BB--

Clearly, you do not read and comprehend. Sean Lockhart and Grant Roy remain business partners and friends. The comments make clear that people who have actual contact with both know this to be the case. Sean's living arrangements remain the same. Another vaunted belief of yours circles the drain. The only rumor being spread was the one that Dink Flamingo was making moves on Sean. It is true he gave Sean the director's chair for the Devon Moss project and a couple of featured model slots in two other films.

Your "facts" circle the drain.

More immediate concern. It is quite clear from the Black's Beach Transcripts and the sections that report Cuadra's statements regarding the last phone calls Kocis took on the evening he was murdered, clearly discuss the backdoor deal. Someone, not Cuadra, connected with the backdoor deal scheme intimately splashed those not publicly known remarks at Jason Sechrest's blog within 3 days of the Kocis murder.

I screen captured those remarks because they messed so well with the BBT's. Beyond coincidence.

Yep, Lee Bergeron had that phone discussion with Kocis. Deny all you wish. That state of affairs is not going away. Nor are the headaches of Lee Bergeron.

Rob said...

Jim writes, "Lee was secretly dealing with Bryan behind their backs." BB replies, "no evidence or proof has been provided that i find acceptable." Frankly, the Luzerne County District Attorney finds otherwise and that is the official opinion that officially matters.

Albert said...

What the hell is an "official opinion."

Rob said...

Albert--

Thanks for pointing out the faulty word choice. I will tighten that up right now. Official fact determination. Hope that clarifies.

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Why Albert I thought you knew if an "Official" makes an opinion known its an "Official" opinion and carries more weight than an opinion by "Joe Shlub" ;)

Like if you put a police officer on the stand in full uniform his testimony carries more "gravitas" than some "jose Shlubeguiz"

Its the way the Justice System bounces along,,,
get with it man!
;)