Monday, December 30, 2013

Victory Day 2013, Finale

"...all deaths born in the margins of the gay porn subculture that placed the pursuit of pleasure above all else."

And so it ends. I'm not sure how I feel about the "pursuit of pleasure" being tagged the root of it all, unless by that one means the pursuit of easy money in the gold rush environment all three parties cohabited in back then. In other words, I would define the grand overarching theme here a bit more narrowly.

That's the thing that linked all three of the corners of this murder triangle, really, in which the early chapters of the book did a good job of explaining. Kocis, Sean and Grant, and Harlow and Joe, all were players during this brief window in time, in which certain advances in consumer technology allowed amateurs to get into the gay porn industry, and make a bucketload of money with relatively little work and only a modicum of talent.

Kocis had staked his claim during the gold rush the earliest, and hence was the most successful, building up a solidly lucrative home business that was only terminated by his death. It's interesting to speculate on what might have happened to Cobra Video had there been no murder: Would Kocis' business to continue to thrive until the present day? Or, would the same collapse of the easy money gay porn bubble that lead to the financial problems of Harlow and Joe also have led to woes for Cobra? We'll never know.

Sean and Grant got into the game later, and were then hampered by civil legal distractions, and then later criminal legal distractions. As a result, by the time they got their own quality Brent Corrigan videos to market, the heady gold rush days of amateur gay porn were over. By all accounts they did well enough, but still, one wonders what they might have achieved had not years been wasted in court rooms from California to Pennsylvania.

And then there's Harlow and Joe. Of all the parties, no one better exemplifies the whole rise-and-fall aspect of this easy money period; from their nouveaux riches excesses with chinchilla coats and quick SRTs, to the fact that to this day, they are in still in denial about the fact that they were ever in financial difficulties...difficulties that unquestionably motivated them to murder.

I want to close with one last thing, something that was almost overlooked by the Kocisphere, but was found rather late. And with difficulty, as it was fairly inconspicuous.

On March 27, 2009, gay escort and blogger Benjamin Nicholas wrote one of his usual long, meandering blog posts. You can read it in the link above; he goes on and on and on about various crap, and then suddenly, out of the blue, he happens to casually mention the conviction of Harlow Cuadra. And that he worked with Harlow in a professional capacity before. And talked with him, and got a measure of the kind of person he really was:
"...I have worked with [Harlow] in an escort capacity in the past: Years ago we had been hired together on several occasions and, on a very superficial level, we'd chat back and forth. He seemed like a driven young guy, but one who was too involved with pie-in-the-sky concept to really make anything a reality. He often bragged about what material riches escorting afforded him (if you consider Outback steak dinners, liposuction and a used car 'riches') and where his adult career was headed once he got his start up studio off the ground. To me, he seemed perfectly nice, but like most performers I've met in the adult industry, perfectly stupid and suited best for whatever required the least work in life. People often times confuse nice with good. In this case, the two couldn't have been more different."
On this, I have several points to note:

1) Note that BN and Harlow are working together, on a job as equals. It's not Harlow talking to a client, it's not Harlow talking to a fan, it's not Harlow talking to a jury...it's Harlow talking to a fellow escort. An equal, a PEER, confidentially talking shop to one another. In other words, this is one of those cases where THE MASK DROPS, and we see the REAL Harlow Cuadra reveal himself.

2) And note what the real Harlow says: "...once he got his start up studio off the ground." Italics mine. Harlow is taking ownership and control of Boybatter here. Joe is not even mentioned.

3) And also note Harlow's character traits which come to the surface in these conversations: Harlow is pie-in-the-sky unrealistic, stupid and lazy.

Essentially, BN is painting a picture of Harlow as a product of the gay porn subculture PC mentions above. All this easy money rolls in initially to he and Joe, not because they were particularly hard working or clever, but merely because they happened to be situated in the right place at the right time when a financial bubble began to form.

And then, when the bubble bursts, and all that easy money begins to flow out as easily as it first flowed in...well, you can see the exceptional mental desperation that led them to murder. It's one thing to go from rich to poor. It's quite another to go from poor to rich and then poor again, realizing that going to rich in the first place was but a matter of luck.

I think a lot of the behavior of many of the principals in this saga, from Kocis to Sean and Grant to Harlow and Joe, can be best understood by understanding the bubble-ish environment they were all a product of.

186 comments:

will g said...

Whew! This 10-month marathon book review has come to a close. Wish I could say the same for the actual case, but there's that pesky hearing next month, then, God willing, it will truly be over.

Very good final summation. I would just like to highlight this passage from Benjamin Nicholas:

What I did find fascinating with the Cuadra trial was the pro-Harlow, rah-rah emotional responses he was getting from anonymous bloggers even when facing insane amounts of piling evidence. See, there's a huge difference between simply milking a story for web traffic, not believing a word of your own crap and truly buying into the various conspiracy theories.

Oh the hilarious irony. This from just about the only person alive who publicly supports Kent Barclay, who embodies everything he supposedly holds in contempt.

(Sorry for mentioning his name, but I've done such a good job of avoiding it up till now, so what the hell.)

DeWayne In San Diego said...

The heady Easy money Porn Bubble indeed Jim. You and I both frequently mentioned back in 2007-09 how a lot of this story from Joe and Harlows pursuit of and spending easy money made with minimal effort mirrored the larger Real Estate and Banking bubble economy that collapsed in September,October 2008.

I remember just blocks from my house in a strip mall a hundred people on smoke break cramming at a fly by night store front real estate class to get a quick license in 2007.

I remember Johnny Hazzard on his blog musing how crazy is it folks I am a porn star who is flipping two Condos a month in Palm Springs?
(Which brings to mind Joseph Kennedys comment that he knew the Crash of 29 was coming because his shoe shine boy was buying stocks!)

In porn Raging Stallion in 2007 raised production to 2 DVD's per month in an era when every DVD was guaranteed to make money. Chi Chi Larue was releasing 20 plus DVD's a year had 35 employee's and when Canadian TV Series Web Dreams chronicled a Jet Set Men DVD shoot in early 2008 they were using 10 man crews and a DVD shooting budget was still 30k.

Joe and Harlow's ideas of easy money just mirrored a cash and real estate crazed America. The idea that two escorts "owned" a half million dollar home! All a fevered dream.

Benjamin Nichols comment is telling "but (Harlow) like most performers I've met in the adult industry, perfectly stupid and suited best for whatever required the least work in life.

Oh that so sums up the majority of people who jumped into porn the last decade and are now gone.

Only the businessmen are left in a rapidly maturing and consolidating porn biz.

jim said...

"Oh the hilarious irony. This from just about the only person alive who publicly supports Kent Barclay, who embodies everything he supposedly holds in contempt."

Yeah, I suspect this is who BN was partly referring to...

jim said...

"You and I both frequently mentioned back in 2007-09 how a lot of this story from Joe and Harlows pursuit of and spending easy money made with minimal effort mirrored the larger Real Estate and Banking bubble economy that collapsed in September,October 2008."

Yeah, and as I theorized years ago, the real estate bubble entered directly into this saga as well.

There is simply no other way Harlow and Joe could have gotten a mortgage, save for a subprime one. There is simply no way their income, sourced as it was, could have qualified for a traditional, fixed rate mortgage.

So, we can easily speculate it was a traditional subprime loan, with minimal paperwork, teaser rates and possibly a balloon payment. Come due around the time of the murder? Given the time frame of purchase, not difficult to imagine.

will g said...

Not to belabor this Jim, but if Kent's one of the "anonymous bloggers" BN was referring to, then why does he continuously praise him on his site and on Twitter? Aside from the fact that he's an a-hole? (And a plagiarist.)

jim said...

Or perhaps he thinks KB is this: "...simply milking a story for web traffic, not believing a word of your own crap..."

Which actually wouldn't surprise me.

will g said...

If that's the category he's placing KB in -- those who post "crap" they don't really believe for web traffic -- it still makes BN a hypocrite for supporting him.

Anonymous said...

Jim & Will:

Avoiding the subcontext of Benjamin Nichols and his self absorbtion, there are a number of valid points to be made.

One) Harlow was lazy. No question about that. He left a decent situation in the Navy (which could have turned into a valuable career in Nursing or as a Medical Assistant both in and out. And he moved in with Joe where he got to make a living by selling his body. And he was too lazy to leave Joe and try someone, something or somewhere else.

Two) Harlow and Joe made their money from "escorting". The movies were a side line.

Three) I believe that both Joe and Harlow felt a little ashamed of what they did for a living. Hence Harlow saw starting the Porno Business as a step upwards. Hence the need to make those movies HIS project. He was Harlow Cuadra the film director.

Joe probably saw it a free advertising for their escort service.

When Joe started to take the film business away from Harlow it created much friction between them.

Four) Harlow and Joe did dabble in real estate. If you remember they flip their residences three time before they ended up with the Boydello.

Five) The original mortgage on the house probably was prime. A decent amount of money was coming in from the escorting. Joe also had a stable of Justin Hensley, Andrew Shunk and others from which he was taking a cut.

Six) However, the second mortgage (taken to make the improvements to the property to include the in house pool) consumed most of the equity in the property, and when the real estate market started to contract, they were under water.

Seven) Yet we have qualities in Harlow that are surprising. He is loyal to a fault. He is polite and usually shows good manners. (You could dispute this as to the reason he is in Jail now, but other examples are hard pressed to find). He also follows orders as what related about his time in the Navy. He can be brave at time, walking into a strangers house when he was "escorting" and not pleading guilty.

I do not think he is stupid by any means. But he is unable to plan successfully.

Eight) I do not believe that by January of 2007 that either Joe or Harlow was "in love" with each other. But being loyal to one's business partner required Harlow to protect Joe to the extent that he could.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

On Point three above, I probably should have said that being escorts distinguished them (Joe & Harlow) from Bryan Kocis. Afterall Bryan did not make his money selling his body. And since Sean gave up "escorting" after joining Bryan, we can also distinguish his income sources from Harlow and Joe as well.

On the other assuming that the events of January 27, 2007 did not occur and Harlow and Joe continued to do what they were doing, the Escorting portion of their income would have held up much better than the Porno making would have. As long as you have people like Joseph Ryan willing to spend large sums of money to have sex with Harlow, a cash flow was available.

As I said before the end of their finances would have occured when their prostitution business got busted by the Virginia Beach Police.

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will g said...

Jim I apologize, this is way off-topic (if your Twitter account was still active I could DM you), but do have still have a link for the video this is from? TIA

will g said...

*do you still have a link...

jim said...

It appears the video has been removed: http://video.filestube.com/546ad30dc9a272a103e9-video.html

will g said...

Oh well, thanks anyway. This insanity is why I asked. Some people were unfamiliar with where that came from.

Anonymous said...

Looking at the remarks on the item that Will G mentioned, I notice that Mark Wilson is referred to by DK unflateringly.

Can we come up with a conspiracy theory that DK is directly responsible for his disapearance, or is that beyond belief that he could actually get out from his mother's appartment long enough to do the deed?


Anonymous One

jim said...

I made a half joking remark on the other thread that I hoped authorities were questioning suspects in Massachusetts.

Realistically, however, there is simply no way he has the intelligence to pull off a crime of this nature, loath that I am to admit this.

will g said...

Geoff is our resident conspiracy theorist, though he wouldn't accuse Kent Barclay of doing away with Mark Wilson, since he doesn't believe Kent Barclay exists. I'm not even sure he believes Mark Wilson exists. He thinks anything DK-related is a hoax being perpetrated by a man in Greensboro, NC. (What is that guy's name Geoff? I've forgotten.)

will g said...

Will Herring!

Albert said...

QUESTIONS! (for vets on this subject)

At what point in time did Bryan Kocis suspect he may have an underage gold mine in his grasp?

What prompted Bryan Kocis to focus his movie, 'Every Poolboy's Dream' around Brent Corrigan, a new actor?

Who do you believe was the 'hero' of this saga?

jim said...

Albert,

1) As to the first question, this quote is from Siren's Tale:

"When Every Poolboy’s Dream hit the shelves, it only complicated matters more. Bryan’s promise of anonymity from the industry started to crumble as person after person in the gay community began recognizing me from my debut film. Not long after the release, Bryan began receiving hints from all over southern California about me and my true age. One specific instance I remember included a very notorious twink hater: Jake’s ex-boyfriend. Jake and this boy had also previously done work together in the industry, and when they split they both continued to work separately. Jake’s ex made an appearance Going Solo, an early Xtreme Production. His model name was Jonathan Deverell. Also, he co-stared in Summer Beach Getaway: The Golden Addition. Jonathan has recently returned and can be found in recent releases by Xtreme under the same alias.

After Poolboy released, Bryan was speaking casually with Jonathan Deverell about hiring him to model for Cobra. Because Cobra doesn’t typically hire porn stars, Bryan was reluctant to use him. To expedite the process and possibly heighten Bryan’s interest, Jonathan gave Bryan an ultimatum. Jonathan told Bryan that if Bryan hired him as a model, he would educate Bryan on which one of his models was only 17.

Bryan refused the terms and dismissed the allegation. Despite this, Jonathan’s spiteful and vindictive nature took control and he divulged the information to Bryan about me."

2) As to why he starred in EPD, I'm guessing it was Kocis' early infatuation with Sean? I'm just guessing here.

3) As the the hero question, that would probably have to be the prosecutors office. Although many others certainly had their heroic moments: Sean and Grant on the beach being an obvious example.

Even Joe was heroic during his final moment in a court room, even though at all other times he'd have to be cast as a villain.

Geoff Harvard said...

Anyone who believes in DK or who does business with Mark Wilson is being catfished.

Anonymous said...

There are no heroes in this saga, least of all JOE. Anyone who glorifies him after he took a TV set from Harlow's attorneys to testify and then at the very last moment on the stand tells the jury that he can not testify (and keeps the TV Set) should realize that Joe's actions were planned in advance to the maximum damage to Harlow.

Even the prosecutors do not escape blame. They introduced extraneous and highly prejudicial material that was non-germane to the charges. In a perfect world that would have the whole case kicked out requiring a brand new trial.

As to Sean and Roy, they had no choice but to cooperate. Sean's fears of harm at Black Beach were completely unfounded. It is hard to see how Joe or Harlow would want him dead before he appeared in one of their joint films. I do not believe either of them were into snuff porn.

However, if not being a villain makes one a hero, then we have Nep Maliki, Mitch Halford, Joseph Ryan, Justin Hensley and Andrew Shunk each of whom had to admit embarrassingly personal details of their lives and still managed to keep their composure.

Anonymous One

will g said...

I agree that deciding not to commit perjury isn't really a heroic act. But more power to him if he got a TV out of it. (I'd like to know what the source is for that, but I have faith A-1 wouldn't just make it up.)

will g said...

BTW if Harlow's lawyers procured a TV for Joe in exchange for his testimony, it was highly unethical at best, and possibly an illegal bribe. In addition, how stupid were they not to realize they were getting played when he made that demand?

Anonymous said...

Will:

I got that off of this Blog. And yes it is highly unethical and one of the reasons I do not hold them in high repute.

However, (and this should prove that I do not condone everything that Harlow did), I bet Harlow enthuastically endorsed their decision to give him the set. Besides I am sure Harlow kept saying to them "Just put Joe on the stand. He promised me that he would clear me of any wrongdoing (or words to that effect).

Anonymous One

Albert said...

If Joe got a TV around February of 2009, probability would suggest it was a cheap analog TV. It would have become outdated 5 months later when the U.S. switched to digital broadcast in June of 2009.

It would also seem that Joe may have received a TV just to take the stand but not as an incentive for any testimony.

jim said...

You're probably right Will re: no hero for deciding not to commit perjury. But it was a last minute burst of conscience that kind-of-sort-of looked like heroism (like Darth Vader, at the last minute, deciding to throw the Emperor over the railing).

Here's an interesting area that hasn't really been explored: How did the "deal" between Harlow and Joe for Joe to testify get brokered?

One might think Harlow's lawyers talked to Joe, bringing Harlow's proposal, and they no doubt did...but there are ethical limitations here (I'm assuming Harlow's lawyers would want to avoid violating any obvious ethical canons). Namely, that a lawyer cannot suborn false testimony, nor put on the stand a witness he knows for a fact will give false testimony.

Assuming Harlow's lawyers were not blatantly unethical in this regard, who acted as the go-between between Harlow and Joe? Who proposed to Joe that he lie to free Harlow, and what lies to tell?

Given that most prison-visitor conversations can be and probably are recorded, it couldn't be just some friend or family member acting as the courier in hatching this plan.

It would have to be someone with a special legal privilege which prohibits authorities from recording the conversation. Someone like a lawyer (who we've just eliminated) or...a priest, minister or spiritual adviser.

And there is one character in this saga who fits the bill in this regard: Preacher George.

http://silenceofthechinchillas.blogspot.com/2008/05/and-ye-shall-know-truth.html

He would have been the ideal person to broker a secret perjured testimony deal between two inmates, held in different prisons.

will g said...

You're assuming that it was the lawyers who made contact with Joe. It could very well have been the other way around. He may have had a pang of remorse over dooming Harlow with his plea, something they had probably agreed they would never do. Or he may have thought it was a way to score a TV. Who knows.

A-1 says he got that TV story from this blog. Where, in the comments? It sounds like a dubious rumor to me. Nobody would have any way of knowing if it happened aside from the lawyers and Joe.

jim said...

It's true, I recall posting the TV story (and using my "Joe meme" image to comment about it was well). That in turn I got from an unconfirmed rumor posted by PC on his blog.

Since this detail never made the book, I'm not sure on the actual veracity of this story.

jim said...

Update 10: http://silenceofthechinchillas.blogspot.com/2009/03/omfg.html

jim said...

And scroll down here to see my expertly crafted meme on the subject: http://silenceofthechinchillas.blogspot.com/2009/03/jurors-speak.html

PC said...

"will g said...
Whew! This 10-month marathon book review has come to a close. Wish I could say the same for the actual case, but there's that pesky hearing next month, then, God willing, it will truly be over.


One could wish, but the beat rolls on... Another day... another hearing - with apparently more to follow.

will g said...
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will g said...

Oh my God, this hearing is blowing up in Harlow's face. Turns out his trial lawyers don't appreciate being called incompetent.

will g said...

Assuming that PC's sources were correct about the $300 deposited "in order for him to agree to testify," Harlow's lawyers should have been brought before the bar on ethics charges. Payment is only acceptable if it's to compensate for expenses or lost wages.

will g said...

I upvoted the second comment.

jim said...

Wow:

"D’Andrea acknowledged that there were inconsistencies in Cuadra’s story, and that the defendant didn’t even admit to his lawyers that he was at the crime scene until the case had already gone to trial.


“He was not forthright with counsel about the case,” D’Andrea said.


Under questioning from Melnick, Walker stressed that Cuadra repeatedly told his lawyers he wasn’t at the scene, and only under mounting pressure of prosecution evidence did Cuadra admit he was there — but not as a killer."

jim said...

And this is interesting:

"Fannick underscored the point that D’Andrea never got any statement from Kerekes in writing, and that there were no witnesses to his conversations with the Kerekes. D’Andrea responded that he believed Kerekes would only open up to him if he visited alone."

will g said...

Yeah, so a simple question for A-1: If Harlow's story was true, why would he have withheld it from his own lawyers until mid-trial? Thus preventing them from preparing a coherent defense?

That is what I meant when I said it's blowing up in his face. That one fact coming out destroys him.

will g said...

Apparently they changed the URL on that Times Leader article so those links no longer work. Here it is.

jim said...

This questioning of Harlow's attorneys like this could lead to a gold mine of new information!

The fact that Harlow was going to claim he was never at the house...unbelievable.

I'm impressed with Harlow's attorneys; my hunch that they would not do anything blatantly unethical is proving to be correct. Hence the need for Harlow to lie to them.

will g said...

You mean except for the $300 bribe PC's sources said they paid Joe?

PC said...

"jim said...
This questioning of Harlow's attorneys like this could lead to a gold mine of new information!
"

Could be. I might do a detailed post about this whole thing in the next day or two. Keep an eye out.

PC said...

I'll also try to clarify the issue of the $300 TV. ( It is a weekend of playoff games - so it may take me a few days to get everything complete). ;) Go Seahawks!

will g said...

It made the AP. "Withheld information from them" is the understatement of the year.

DeWayne In San Diego said...

oh my my when will it end.

Albert asked some questions

I have one I have been mulling since I was researching web hosts last month and I realized something.

Bryan Kocis will have been dead 7 full years on Jan 24.

Why is the original Cobra Video site still online?

Who controls it and pays the hosting?

The only income source on the site is the Cobra White Label Streaming video theater which is run (but not owned) by AEBN.

All Cobra DVD's are distributed by Studmall under license from Cobra BV in Amsterdam.

The Kocis family rapidly divested all Cobra rights in the spring of 2007 (which we only learned later) so its strange this one reminder of Bryan's company is still online in a very ghostly form.

My take is a new "owner" would have created a new web page to advertise the Streaming Theater.

Anonymous said...

Wow, I go away for a weekend, and there are all these comments to read.

The one question you asked me was why did Harlow lie to his counsel about being there? First you have to assume that his lawyers asked him. They said so on the stand, but the conversation could have been:

Lawyers:
Now you say that you were not in the house when Kokis was killed, right. Remember the jury will be listening to what you claim. Right. So you were not in the house? Right.

Cuadra: Right.

On to next subject. {Its all in how you frame the question. Right}

As to the lawyers working 8 hour days, this was a death penalty case. To prepare for a trial with the amount of reading material to be familiarized with, requires in this short period of time, a lot more than a mere 8 hours a day. I can assure you Melnick spent a lot more time per day in preparation as the trial grew near.

The second question is how did Harlow come to expect Joe would testify for him? It is quite simple. After the murder, Joe kept on promising Harlow on multiple occasions that if worse can to worse and they went to trial that he would testify in Harlow's defense. In return Harlow was to stay with Joe (including to continue service clients) and to promise not to rat out Joe. Harlow kept his part of the bargain and he expected Joe to do the same. Joe probably never intended to do so (remember Joe loves a good scam unless it is against him)unless there was something in it for him. D'Andrea went to the Prison and saw Joe privately. Joe saw the possibility of scamming D'Andrea at the same time and led him on. Of course if Joe did tell D'Andrea the truth, he must of told D'Andrea that Harlow was in the house at the time of the hearing. Did D'Andrea follow this up with Harlow afterwards or did his 8 hour day run out on the trip back from the prison?

Anonymous One

will g said...

The one question you asked me was why did Harlow lie to his counsel about being there? First you have to assume that his lawyers asked him.

Thanks A-1, I needed a good laugh today.

Anonymous said...

One thing that Fannick had zeroed in on what the workout video of Harlow that was shown to the jury. As I have stated before there are two versions. One is a santized version lasting 36 seconds showing Harlow lifting some weights wearing clothes. The second version has Harlow continuing to workout but this time on the muscle hanging between his thighs culminating in (well you know what happens). The question is which version did Melnick show the jury?

If he showed then the 36 second clip, it was completely irrevelant to the trial and should be not allowed to be shown. However, it would be considered harmless error.

However if the full cut version (pun intended) was shown, this was highly prejudicial material, that Olszewski should declared a mistrial on. If that tape version was shown, and Olszewski was not asked for a mistrial by D'Andrea or Walker right then and there, then they are guilty of malpractice and improper representation of their client. If they asked for a mistrial, and it was not granted by Olszewski committed reversible error. The cure at this stage would be to declare the previous trial void and order a new trial.

If the current judge found it completely outside the pale, he could even dismiss all the charges against Harlow.

Anonymous One

jim said...

It wasn't irrelevant, it went to show Harlow had the physical strength to murder another grown man.

Keep in mind the defense tried to argue the opposite, ie, that Harlow threw the football like a girly man. And hence was too non-athletic to murder someone.

will g said...

The very notion that a tape of Harlow masturbating was shown in open court is absurd. Of course it wasn't. But even if it were, it wouldn't be prejudicial at all. The jury was fully aware that Harlow made pornographic videos. So what if if they actually see one?

jim said...

Yeah, seems to me we'd all remember a porno clip, if it got introduced into evidence.

Now, the non porn version of Harlow barbell lifting I do recall (I didn't even know there was a porn version until today), the funny thing I recall about it back then was it having been provided by Joe and Harlow to Matt Fondel for his Bitchless Blog. It was used there as pro-Harlow propaganda (essentially saying: 'Look, here's Harlow Cuadra at the gym, and he must be innocent because he's so smokin' HOT!').

So, the ironic thing about it was, it actually being used by the prosecution for conviction. The complete opposite of it's intended purpose. That must have stung.

Anonymous said...

First of All you have not been reading my comments. To best of my recall, I mentioned the J/o version of the workout tapes three times. So please do not claim that this was not raised before.

Second, the defense counsel looked like an idiot when he claimed that Harlow threw like a girl and lacked any real physical strength.

Third, does it really take a great amount of strenghth slice a throat especially when under a great deal of emotion. Under the right circumstances, Renee and most women could do Bryan the way Bryan was done.

Hence the subpeona of the group from Harlow and Joe's gym was a completely unnecessary addition to the trial. They testified that 1) Harlow and Joe were not present on the day of the murder and 2) Harlow was a very strong individual and maybe stronger than Joe. Fine rebuttal evidence if the Defense had presented testimony that Joe had physically forced Harlow to do the deed or if the two had testified that either or both were in Virginia Beach on January 27, 2007. But you cannot rebut a fact until it is alleged by the other side first. Still the presentation would be considered harmless error in that it was not prejudicial.

Now when you introduce the work out tape with full j/o included. Most people would consider showing an individual masturbating to be demeaning and disgraceful. Yes, Harlow was a porn star, but to have that shown to a right wing bible belt conservative jury is the EQUIVALENT of a rapist claiming the victim was a former prostitute and showing clips of her work to the jury.

The final reason why the full tape would be reversible error, is the effect it had on Harlow. With his mother sitting behind him, it was more than embarrassing. It was a complete challenge to his manhood and self respect. So when he took the stand and was questioned by Melnick, it is easy to understand why got combative.

Yes the full work out tape is grounds for a reversal of the jury award. It is so egregious that many judges would toss out all of the charges against the defendant and refer the prosecutor to the disclipinary counsel with recomendations for sanctions.

Even showing only part of the film in court and then letting the jury have access to the rest, is the same thing, especially if it hinted that choice items are on the rest of the film.

Anonymous One


Anonymous said...

Having gotten that off my chest, the bitchless blog does make a valid point about establishing a basis for admission.

While we can accept that it was Harlow in the film, the prosecution would need to validate the date of the film, the type of weights etc. before offering it as proof of anything.

If the defense counsel consented to its admission without having looked at its contents first, they would be committing malpractice. If they had not been given the tape in advance, then they could object to its admission for failure of the prosecution to provide discovery. If they had been given the tape in advance but had not looked at it because of lack of time, then their recent argument that an extension of time denied by Olszewki would have not benefited them is shown to be false.

All in all, I have always felt that the playing of this tape was wrong and unnecessary. Because it was, it forms the strongest argument so far that Fannick can present in his motion for a new trial.

Anonymous One

will g said...

You did not seriously argue that it's improper -- nay, reversible error -- for a prosecutor to present evidence that makes a murder defendant feel embarrassed in front of his mother? Did you A-1?

PC said...

Post #1: It's Déjà vu.

The $300 television mystery will be posted shortly.

Anonymous said...

Will:
Yes. If the purpose of introducing evidence was for the purpose solely of embarrassing the defendant it would be grounds for censure of the prosecutor. Only evidence that is relevant can be admitted.

One could also argue that the filmed portion of the Black Beach episode should not have been shown. Since it was a silent film, unless the jurors can read lips, it contained no information as to guilt or innocence of either Harlow or Joe, nor could it effectively bolster or reduce the testimony of Sean.

I think that this was also introduce solely to influence the jury negatively towards Harlow.

The final summation by Melnick when he circulated the photo of Harlow sent by Harlow or Joe to Bryan prior to the murder, is less clear. While defamtory to Harlow, it at least germane to the Prosecutor's story.

Prosecutors are very much limited to what they can introduce at a trial.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

As to PC's comments, does he really want to say that Nep Maliki and Mitch Halford did not know Harlow really well, or that the other two "escorts" and housemates Andrew Shunk and Justin Hensley either?

Anonymous One

will g said...

You left out that the words "sole purpose" in your previous post. Obviously evidence can't be introduced for the sole purpose of embarrassing the defendant. But your post said "the effect it had on Harlow" would by itself be grounds for reversal, which is simply wacky. If a prosecutor was not allowed to introduce evidence that might upset the defendant, no defendant would ever be convicted.

The entire discussion is wacky. No jerk-off video was ever shown to the jury, nor would the prosecutor have ever even considered doing something so ludicrous.

will g said...

BTW just to tie up a loose end, I learned that Magnus paid up all monies owed two days before PC was scheduled to fly to NYC and file suit. So all is well on that front. Sorry Mr. Fondel.

jim said...

It was the defense that played the beach tape, showing Harlow sucked at throwing a football.

You can't have it both ways. If the defense gets to enter video evidence showing Harlow was weak, the prosecution gets to counter that with video evidence showing he was strong. Strong enough to pump iron in a gym. Strong enough to heft Sean over his shoulders on the beach.

Also keep in mind, Harlow's court room attire, suit and tie, combined with nerd glasses (which as far as I can tell, he had NEVER worn before), intentionally conveying an impression to the jury an fake image of frailty and weakness.

The prosecution has EVERY RIGHT to introduce evidence of Harlow's true physical strength to counter that, and such evidence would legally be considered COMPLETELY relevant.

Anonymous said...

Jim:

The defense did not play the beach video tape. The prosecution did.

The idiot lawyer for the defense then argued that it showed Harlow to be weak in his closing argument.

As I said before, in a highly emotional state, and if the knife was drawn from the rear upwards, it would not take a huge amount of physical strength to do the damage that was done to Bryan's neck. So the matter of strength of either Harlow or Joe is irrelevant. The coronor's testimony would be sufficient to prove that and thus the video could have been avoided. (Frankly, the shorter a prosecution's case, the stronger it becomes. Including the testimony of the gym proprietor and the workout tape could have backfired if it ended up turning off the jury before more important evidence was introduced).

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

As to the matter of the glasses, Jim you are completely wrong. The pictures of Harlow attending the hearing clearly show him wearing glasses. Even the picture of him at the San Diego Aquarium holding the starfish has him wearing glasses.

I do not know how good or how bad Harlow's vision is. Being somewhat vain, he may have decided that he looked better without glasses in his adult films or he could have been wearing contacts.

As a person who wears glasses, I know in my case, that as I got older, my short range vision got stronger, and my far range vision stayed the same. The flexibility of lens however got worse. Hence, I have to take off my glasses when reading but prefer to use them when driving. Harlow could have the same level of vision, hence the glasses in his breast pocket when he gave the brief TV interview after on the trial sessions.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

Will G:

If the iron pumping video was introduced, the prosecution may have felt that the entire video had to be shown rather than a clip from it. The full video has the jerk-off portion. Bitchless Blog has the sanitized 36 second version. We do not know which version was shown to the jury. Only Quicky Start was present and he made no comments that I recall on the film.

As far the prosecution never considering showing a jerk off film, the fact that you rightly consider it ludicrous is proof to me that it would have been reversible error if shown.

Even if not shown completely, but the jury was invited to view the complete video during deliberations, to me, that is the same thing as showing it to them during the trial.

Anonymous said...

As far as Harlow's court appearance, it is customary for all people appearing before a judge to be properly attired. That used to mean a suit and tie. Though obviously in these recent hearings as a prisoner, Harlow is required to wear prison garments.

The clothes he wore at trial made him look young and attractive, not necessarily weak and fragile.

Face it, his appearance, his good looks and dress were about the only advantage he had in this case. It may have spared him the death penalty.

Anonymous One

will g said...

Ummm....

will g said...

There's another tweet after that, just click through to his page. I replied to the first one immediately saying everyone thought he was dead.

will g said...

The workout video was indeed reported by the news outlets reporting on the trial. Ya THINK they might have mentioned the part where Harlow jerked off if that was shown? Or they just decided to leave out that little tidbit? Get real.

PC said...

"Anonymous said...

We do not know which version was shown to the jury.
"

The version shown to the jury was a short clip that did not include Harlow jerking-off. That I know because I interviewed several of the jury members, and I have a copy of the trial transcript that covered this issue.

I think Will summed it up best: "Ya THINK they might have mentioned the part where Harlow jerked off if that was shown? Or they just decided to leave out that little tidbit? Get real."

jim said...

In any case, the threshold for determining relevance is very low. Even the slightest relevance will get something in that isn't highly prejudicial.

I know it wasn't part of the defense strategy for the jury to see a well-muscled Harlow pumping iron, easily able to both restrain a grown man AND slit his throat at the same time...but that was the point. When they attired Harlow in nerdy glasses, the defense was doing the same thing, only in the opposite direction. And they certainly didn't hesitate to point out he couldn't throw a football very skillfully, and try to argue he was feeble based on that as well.

What's good for goose, as they say...

jim said...

Good lord, "repatriated?" Did North Korea kidnap him, or something???

Anonymous said...

he was kidnapped by jill fannick

Anonymous said...

Jim:

"Restrained" with no defensive wounds? I understand Bryan was 6' 2" tall and no lightweight himself. Harlow is what 5' 9"?

Now you would have Harlow holding down Bryan while pulling out a knife and then slicing his throat deep enough to have it almost severed?

Albert at least posted a pausible theory, that Harlow sliced Bryan's throat without Bryan being aware that Harlow was about to do so? The only real strenghth needed was to make a deep cut in throat, which is easier if done by being in back of the victim and pulling the knife inward. Sticking a knife outwards tends to pierce the throat and while deadly would not result in the severance. Hence no overpowering or restraint would be needed.

Also from this position, one does not need to be agile or to worry as much about blood splatter.

You or I could do the same damage to a victim if we were mentally deranged enough to do so from this position. I can assure you that I am great physical specimen either.

Hence there was no need to show Harlow as physically incapable. His lawyers would have been much better off trying to show him as being mentally or physchologically incapable of doing this kind of act.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

Make that NO great physical specimen in the last comment.

A-1

Albert said...

I believe Elm has the complete collection of Harlow films. In one scene Harlow was in a shower holding another guy in the air while pounding that guy in the butt. The entire scene had Harlow cum three times but who knows how the editing went. That was when i learned about the 'pornstar cocktail' of viagra and meth. In any case. Harlow was plenty strong.

will g said...

Missing Atlanta man resurfaces after two months

jim said...

Legal issues hummmm...

Anonymous said...

There never was an Atlanta office and there still, to this day, is not an Atlanta office as ProjectQ has now confirmed in their article as well; and what some have been trying to tell other people for a long time. Mark Wilson isn't even his real name and he runs his questionable business out of Goose Creek, South Carolina.

As far as the foreign charges are concerned, I have no knowledge, but suffice to say, this is about to become Mark Wilson's Aka XXXXX- XXXXXX George Washington Bridge lane closures nightmare.

Anonymous said...

I'll add this too.

It's easy to call out the bat shit crazy lies of the mentally unstable damon kruezer. All you need to do is read what he writes.

But wilson took it a step further, and added layer upon layer of his own lies and untruths about Kruezer in an attempt to regale himself into some super hero crime fighter.

Wilson sucked so many people into believing what he was saying that he himself had to stop posting because reasonable people would have demanded some form of resolution or evidence of his statement of facts.

This is all about to get very entertaining from a car wreck point of view and it will be fascinating to observe what some of the pro-wilson followers will then have to say.

Geoff Harvard said...

The Atlanta office in 2009 was supposedly at One Coca Cola Plaza, which I found to be false. He apparently lived in Charlotte at one time, also the situs of Will Herring until he retired to Greensboro. "Wilson" was associated with the 2008 congressional campaign of Daniel Johnson against Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-NC 10). Johnson and "Wilson" are both originally from Hickory, NC. Johnson ran a scurrilous anti-McHenry blog called Patgobyebye which had some cruel things to say about the murder of my friend, David Abrami. Coincidentally, these were echoed by "Damon Kruezer." "Wilson's" mother and sister ran a catering business from their home in Hickory in March, 2009. He had a residence in Goose Creek, SC viewable on Google maps street view which I have lost track of.

jim said...

This is what they had to say about the Atlanta mailing address:

"Wilson founded Great Atlantic Media in his Charlotte home, moving the company to Atlanta in 2006. Five years later, according to the company's website, it moved to a 20th floor office of One Atlantic Center on West Peachtree Street in Midtown. But in late December, Project Q Atlanta visited the office building and was told that Great Atlantic Media was not a tenant. Wilson says the company only uses the address for mail delivery."

Mail drops and PO boxes are a pretty standard practice with small home-based businesses around the country, I'm not sure how this rises to the level of a major scandal.

But he seems to have ticked lots of people off in the past, DK to Mason Wyler fans and so on, that's for sure.

will g said...

Oy vey. I'll deign to respond to you Geoff.

Yes, Mark Wilson is not his real name. Neither you, or even DeWayne, knows his real name. For reasons of his own, he prefers to keep that to himself. You yourself prefer that your real name not be known. And yet, you have somehow tracked down someone whose name you don't know to Goose Creek, SC. In this, I believe you are just parroting the individual sometimes known as "William Wolbrecht," who is himself a fraud who faked his "lover's" death. He even started an impersonation Twitter account pretending to be me when mine was suspended.

So tell me how you -- independantly of WW -- have found proof that this person whose legal name is unknown to you lives in Goose Creek?

Yes, maildrops are common. Mark runs the business out of his ATLANTA home. People in ATLANTA who recognized Mark contacted the ProjectQ website after their first story ran.

Now again, I ask you, how you were able to determine that a person whose name you don't know was involved in that campaign? I'm just flabbergasted that you think you've been able to track down ANY information about someone whose legal identity, which would seem to be a prerequisite for doing a people search, you don't know. And yet you make all kinds of statements about someone you call "Wilson." It's absurd on it's face "Geoff."

layer upon layer of his own lies and untruths about [Wilson] in an attempt to regale himself into some super hero crime fighter

Pot meet kettle.

Anonymous said...

But at least Mark Wilson is alive and nobody is complaining about missing money which would be the clue that his affairs were not in order.

So perhaps we can get back to Harlow? Yes Harlow is no 90 lb weakling. Yes, it would not be a good idea to kick sand in his face. And yes, lets not knock him for trying to dress properly for his trial.

But lets not make a big deal over his relative strength. As I have arguing ad nauseum, extraordinary strength was not needed to commit this crime.

Anonymous One

will g said...

Harlow? Who's that?

A-1 all of this about Harlow's strength or lack of it was only brought up because you thought there was a possibility that the workout tape played in court showed him jerking off. I think we have firmly established that that never happened, so in my opinion there is no need to continue hashing out the issue of the workout tape, and why the prosecutor chose to use it (which seems obvious). For the life of me I can't figure out why Fannick thinks such an innocuous piece of evidence is an appealable issue.

Anonymous said...

With due respect to will, you don't know what you're talking about. As smart and as intellectually competent as you are; you are also equally devoid of qualifying your reckless and irresponsible gossip (in this case lies) as truth and fact before you action them off to the twitter-verse in a frenzied attack upon another.

So tell me how you - independently of Mark Wilson - have you come to disparage someone of whom you have never met, never known and never knew of until after that fact?

I'll suggest you can't, because what you spew as hate and belief to everyone who follows your twitter, is unfounded and untrue. You only know what you know, because Mark Wilson told you so.

If I'm wrong, man-up here and prove me wrong.

Mark Wilson has lied and fabricated reality to everyone who has followed him for years. If you were being honest and wanted to source his claims, you would. But you don't. You believe what he tells you as fact because it fits your agenda.

Aside from The Damon Kruezer information which is as old, and new, and probably always sadly evolving and publicly in your face - everything else he tells you is what fits his agenda.

I personally don't really care what you choose to believe or how you elect to source your information before you defame those who are not here - that's something you will need to account for, for yourself.

It's ironic, too, that once Mark Wilson went away, you had nothing to talk about except the obvious and real mental illness of kent barclay which he shares every-time he is online.

So what is it Will? Are you really just another < FoxNews story teller, or do you have some real facts and information to share here?

Anonymous said...

Oh, and just one more thing and I'm done.

How odd, or maybe better suggested, deeply disturbing, is it for someone who has just been released from jail/detainment/imprisonment/or whatever this story plays out to be - for 60 days - for illegal behavior in a foreign country - to return after his release and the day after his public re-emergence, while customers are still in the dark - begin again, tweeting about someone so insignificant to anyone's life?

This speaks volumes about mark Wilson. It also speaks volumes about anyone who follows him or does business with him.

Anonymous said...

If "Geoff Harvard" was a friend of David Abrami that explains his twisted mind. What a corrupt cabal of anti Semitic Christo fascist GOP closet cases.

Yeah the "C Street" group rotten and evil to the core.

Explains why the freaks involved in that were so interested in Joe and Harlow. Conflicted confused Escorts would be at the top of their list for fun and games GOP style!
http://open.salon.com/blog/laura_wilkerson/2011/05/26/patrick_mchenrys_glass_houses

Geoff Harvard said...

I am grateful that Anonymous created some distance between him and me, although I think the one at 12:32 is actually someone else. The Laura Wilkerson blog entry linked to is inaccurate in several respects, but I doubt that readers here would be interested in the details. Abrami was a good guy and didn't deserve to be murdered.
I do not understand why will g would be aware of Mark Wilson's true identity and Dewayne, who sends him $25 a month for blog hosting, would not.
The two addresses I got for Mark Wilson in May, 2009 were Hickory, NC 28601 based on his Atlanta cell phone number and Charleston, SC 29407 based on his freelance IT activity.
My legal name, physical address, and phone number have been known on these blogs since 2007. I chose to adopt a pseudonym to avoid confusion with Chinchilla Jim.

Anonymous said...

Geoff Harvard,

internet searches of your information and anyone else's information is/are as accurate as it/they are inaccurate.

people so heavily invested and involved in the cummings (yes I did that) and goings of others in any field, yet alone porn, should never be considered as fact with these searches until they demonstrate irrefutable fact of those search results.

Gossip queens and people with vendettas don't - so they rely upon others to spread their own personal beliefs and vile based upon their own agendas.

people like kent barclay need little explaining by others. If you cant figure out his mental disease and disorder on your own - then you probably should be on an AOL dial-up connection, if it still exists, which once protected and denied it's users from fully embracing and experiencing the www.

will g said...

Geoff, I never said, and certainly did not mean to imply, that I know Mark's real name. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. What I thought I had made clear is that NONE of us know. As for your personal info, I wasn't involved in these blogs in 2007, so I had no way of knowing you had ever revealed your own true identity.

So you got one address through through his Atlanta cell phone number, and the other through his "freelance IT activity"? Neither of those make any sense to me, especially the vagueness of the latter, but for the sake of argument let's assume those two addresses are associated with him. What makes you think they're anything but former addresses? It is no secret that he hails from that part of the country, so how is that any kind of proof that he doesn't live in Atlanta now?

will g said...

As for Anonymous Three, I'm done responding to Anonymi. I'm going to agree with Albert now -- identify yourself at least with one of your known online aliases or I'm going to ignore you.

Anonymous said...

Actually, will is never finished responding to anyone, as he said, let alone to Anon's. LOL.

If anyone cares to notice, will apologizes more than most for his previous statements more than most people ever do. He also deletes his posts once he finds facts that his previous posts failed with.

It's Ok, Will. Just stop be so arrogantly in need of being the messenger - when at best - you're often just the National Enquirer.

will g said...

Jesus, I just reread my above post from last night responding to Geoff and discovered I was conflating the comments by Geoff and Anonymous Three and responding to them as if they were all written by Geoff, including the one that says Mark "runs his business out of Goose Creek." Geoff didn't say that, in fact all Geoff said is he has previously lived in Charlotte and Goose Creek, which I don't really dispute. It's Anonymous Three who makes the completely unfounded charge that that's his current address.

What can I say? It was late and it had been a long day.

Anonymous said...

Will G;

I am agast at the vitriol being spewed against you. I have found you to be a good researcher and even though we disagree on Harlow, I still respect your opinion and your motives.

Anonymous One

will g said...

Thanks but actually this was relatively mild. A-3 and I go way back so I'm used to his vitriol. He sees me as a surrogate for, or an acolyte of, Mark Wilson, who he launched a vendetta against many years ago. That's why he's suddenly shown up here now.

will g said...

"It's a legalized industry and properly regulated, so I don't see it as a problem," said Clark County [Nevada] commissioner Chris Giunchigliani.

Not according to Matt Fondel is it legalized. Who do you think you are Mr. County Commissioner? Call the cops on him immediately Mr. Fondel!

will g said...

Oh, and lest Mr. Fondel think prostitution has been legalized in Nevada, because of places like the Bunny Ranch, so his argument doesn't apply there, rest assured it is still illegal in Clark County.

Anonymous said...

Interesting. I always thought that Prostitution was legal throughout Nevada. Oh well live and learn.

Anonymous One

jim said...

Yeah it's county by county in Nevada IIRC.

Anonymous said...

Wow ten days without a comment from anyone. Too Quiet.

A-1

jim said...

Yeah I think we are nearing the end here.

will g said...

There's either a ruling or another hearing (it's unclear which) coming up on Harlow's petition very soon, you might as well keep it open until then. I thought it was supposed to happen sometime in January, but apparently not.

jim said...

May as well just keep this thread open until the next Victory Day then. So we will actually close this blog on VD, rather than open. :-)

Anonymous said...

As long as we are open, I would like to open a discussion of the last entry concerning Benjamin Nichols. There were two things I found interesting in the sentence where he described Harlow's goals as a meal at Outback, Lipposuction and a used car.

This does not reflect on Harlow's guilt or innocence but more on BN's take on the incident.


The first observation was the use of Lipposuction as a goal of Harlow. Now we know that Joe had the Lipposuction. I would presume that Harlow had no need for such at age 25 or earlier. Could BN be confusing Harlow with Joe. This I think has been a common thread throughout the story. Harlow has the distictive name and the person we remember. Had they used their last names, it would have been Kerekes and Cuadra with Joe getting promeniance over Harlow.

Then we have the used car and outback. This conflicts with the high living which the Prosecutor kept abscribing to Harlow and Joe. True they spent a lot at Le Cirque (the lamb dinner with Sean and Roy), but most of time it was fast food chains. (Not that eating out that many meals is cheap, it adds up.) Outback is a little more expensive, but not much more ($15-20 an entree). So if Harlow was treated by his client the entire meal (including tip and dessert) would have been under $30.00. BN implies that this was the unusual expensive meal not the norm.

Of course the used car was Sean'sI believe Harlow's Big Blue being a muscle car was a lot more expensive and may have been new.

So how do we rate the validity of BN's observations if these basic facts appear jumbled.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

The other point with the BN observation was when did they work together. If Joe's lipposuction was in 2006 (the fall of which was my impression), the joint activity must have been the last few months of that year.

Of course if the lipposuction was done earlier, then the joint activity could have been much earlier.


And this joint event sounds like a very expensive (to the clients) party with clients showing off their A List Call Boys to each other. Could this be the famous dude ranch alluded to.

In any case, Harlow probably brought home a hefty paycheck. Wonder if Joe got paid also or was even allowed to attend?

Anonymous One

will g said...

So how do we rate the validity of BN's observations if these basic facts appear jumbled.

We rate them worthless. Benjamin Nicholas is talking out of his well-used ass. He had one brief meeting with Harlow (or so he says) and thinks it qualifies him to analyze his character. But BN is generally so full of himself that it's not surprising.

Follow the links concerning plagiarism in this article, in which he's caught lying about another matter, to give you some idea of his reliability on anything. As if his aforementioned championing of Kent Barclay isn't enough on its own to dismiss him.

will g said...

Well I just discovered the link in that article concerning BN's "credibility problems" doesn't work. It originally linked to a long blog post about his quite extensive plagiarism, which seems to have been scrubbed from the web, unfortunately.

will g said...

OMG is Trent Lott the Mystery Senator????

will g said...

OK, so BN actually says he met Harlow "on several occasions," not once. If we're to take him at his word, maybe his observations do have some worth. I just think you may have given his musings a bit too much weight in your final post Jim, though they do dovetail nicely with your general theories about Harlow, and it was a good find.

jim said...

The thing that struck me most was the fact that BN didn't make a huge deal about all this. His remembrances were, in fact, buried in the middle of a long, rambling blog post, not trumpeted at all, and as such almost escaped discovery by the Kocisphere entirely.

I can't recall who first stumbled across this gem, well after the verdict came in. Might have been me, or might have been DeW or Elm. But in any case, it's obscurity seems to argue in favor of it's general validity.

As to A-1 musings on the liposuction and the Outback steaks, who knows. Maybe he was talking about Joe's lipo to BN. The only thing I drew from that was that Harlow indicated to BN that he somehow valued those things. Which the rather snooty BN indicates by implication he holds in some disdain.

Expressing disdain is one of the hallmarks of the BN Blog, if you have the stomach to read enough of it to get a sense of it.

jim said...

And yeah, Trent Lott has always been on my short list as the mystery Senator. Maybe he did 3-ways with Harlow and BN. And this is how they came in contact.

will g said...

Expressing disdain is one of the hallmarks of the BN Blog.

Except when it comes to you-know-who. He's awesome.

Albert said...

I have never taken 'you know who' seriously. I only go back about a year before he took a vacation to the 'bene-lux' countries. His posts are always too absurd. My feeling is the author is attempting to demonstrate absurdity (rampant in most gay blogs) by being absurd. Pointless by design.

Albert said...

My apologies. I should not have specified "gay blogs". Simply saying 'blogs' however would not have communicated to the reading audience with as much impact.

Anonymous said...

I would not speculate on the unknown Senator except that Harlow was a bit out from the District of Columbia. By Car it would be 3 to 4 hours (at a high rate of speed). My assumption such as it is worth, is that the politician was local (Virginian, or North Carolinian). Keep in mind that in order to impress people but not to reveal identities, Harlow and Joe could have inflated the title of the politician. Thus a US Congressman or Virginian State Senator or even Virginian House of Delegate member could be magically promoted by "Governor" Cuadra to US Senator.

Anonymous One

PS "Governor" is sarcasism is case you could not guess it already.

jim said...

This is one of "mark @ www.boisrus.com" aka Joe's blog comments back when they were quite literally on the run, hiding in Florida. Note the explicit use of not just senator, but "US Senator."

"mark @ www.boisrus.com said...
Diligently working Harlow is on his star studed blog :-)~...
Harlow and I along with Calvin just returned from a dude ranch in Montana where we thought we were just spending time in R & R a lo and behold. here we are nearly 70 miles from the nearest gas station and probably the same from the nearest "hot spot" we meet a Cowboy who almost instantly recognizes Harlow and asks, OMG are you ready for this..."Are you guys on the RUN."
I have to admit I almost slipped on my spilt tea. But this gentleman burst out with laughter and said, "Boy...see my shotgun over there on the wall?...If you are guilty I aint a US Senator."
Yes so we went horseback riding with Senator " " of " ".
Turns out Harlow and I spent the afternoon riding a different cowboy, and this Senator actually paid for our entire little vacation in an unplanned Escort booking. LOL Also...Harlow is heading out there again tomorrow for some more trail riding :-)
Just a Hello from all of us here in Norfolk today, and we look forward to all of your enlightening and exciting comments on Harlows blog. www.harlowcuadraonline.com

April 17, 2007 4:47 AM"

The purpose here of this post was, I think, three-fold:

1) To counteract the Jody Wheeler interview with Sean, in which Sean revealed that they were indeed hiding from the law at this time;

2) Simply braggadocio; and

3) This was a blackmail message to the "US Senator" in question. His name and state were filled in with air quotes, implying his identity could be revealed at any time.

This was their opening move in which they got the flow of extortion money from this Senator flowing.

Anonymous said...

If points one and two are true, then point three sounds implausible.

Moreover, if the "senator" opened up his wallet, Harlow and Joe would have had plenty of money and could have managed their debts in February, March and April, unless you want them to have blown it all patching up the bullet holes from the raid on the Boydello.

If we are to imply Occam's Razor, the simpliest answer would be that the whole thing about a senator, (and the dude ranch) came whole cloth from the fertile mind of Joseph Kerekes.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

This brings to mind the Lamb dinner at Le Cirque. As you recall as related on Harlow's Blog and from testimony of Grant, Sean did not want to stay at the dinner rather he wanted to bar hopping. Harlow on the other hand wanted to play footsies. There was the idea that Sean and Harlow were to conduct a "Screen Test" alone in one of the hotel rooms but this never occured.

From this I always assumed that Sean found Harlow to be boring. Using my imagination, I assumed that Harlow talked mostly about racing cars. Had Harlow talked about riding horses, I believe Sean would have found that topic more interesting. But I believe that Harlow had zero interest in horseriding, and Sean got even more bored.

I realize that this is a lot of assumptions and pretty irrelevant to the Kocis Murder.

Anonymous One

will g said...

First, "Mark" doesn't actually say he's a "U.S senator," just a senator. As A-1 said, that could mean a state senator. And second, it's hard to take his mention of the "senator" seriously, since everything else in that post is pure fiction. The "mystery client" whose name was redacted from the court record could very well be a U.S. senator, and the purpose of this post may have been as you said, but I'd need more to go on than a fictional account of trip to a Montana dude ranch to be convinced.

jim said...

"...I have to admit I almost slipped on my spilt tea. But this gentleman burst out with laughter and said, "Boy...see my shotgun over there on the wall?...If you are guilty I aint a US Senator.""

jim said...

And the use of "boy" and "aint" when putting words in this guy's mouth, seems to imply a southern senator?

Albert said...

Probably southern as you say Jim but in any case, clearly of superior cultural breeding.

will g said...

Yes OK I did miss that second reference to him being a "U.S. senator." Still, if this absurd tall tale is the only source for everyone thinking the "mystery client" has to be a U.S. senator, it's pretty thin gruel.

jim said...

No it's not the only source, Justin Hensley testified to it too on the stand. And then of course there is the BBT incident in court.

Anonymous said...

There is a time conflict here. Didn't the dude ranch incident supposedly take place after the murder when Harlow and Joe were on the lam. And did not Justin and Andrew leave the boydello shortly after the police raid? (which caused our boys to go on the lam).

If so, when would Justin have heard about this particular incident that he testified to?

Since I believe that Justin's testimony was reasonably true, this encounter (if it took place) occurred before the murder and may been a tale told to the "help" over a period of time. Joe then rehashed the old story for the blog to make it seem like a fresh incident.

Anonymous One

will g said...

Well all the incident in court proves is that there was something on the tape, probably someone's name, they didn't want the press and public to hear. But you're absolutely right, Hensley did testify that a U.S. senator was one of Norfolk Companions' clients. I had completely forgotten that. It does lend credence to your blackmail theory regarding that post.

will g said...

If so, when would Justin have heard about this particular incident that he testified to?

All Jim meant is that Hensley confirmed the existence of the U.S. senator on the stand, he didn't testify to the dude-ranch incident, which was total fiction.

jim said...

Yeah I should clarify that...the dude ranch was definitely fiction (at least, about it taking place at that time, while on the run...although maybe Harlow serviced clients at some Montana dude ranch years earlier, who knows...the best lies always contain a grain of truth).

The senator I feel is real, however. I think there is enough evidence out there to make that case.

Anonymous said...

I still have my doubts. I am sure Justin was told that there was a US Senator. But was he being told BS by a boasting Joe or Harlow. The potential number of US Senators that would come to Virginia Beach or nearby on any regular basis would be limited to those of Virginia or North Carolina (and I think we can eliminate Senator Kay Hagen from that list!!)

Harlow could travel to the DC area for servicing but that would require that somebody up there (and we are talking a bit of distance) had heard of Harlow first and recomended him to the Senator. Unless you want to conceive of a high ranking politician cruising gay escort web sites.

Obviously, Harlow could not claim to be servicing anybody higher like the President (then G.W.) or the V.P. (then Cheney)and unfortunately most people have no idea who the members of the cabinet are. So if your going to make up a dream client, a US Senator would be as high as you could go politically if you want to score points with others in the trade.

Anonymous One

Anonymous said...

I also don't buy the blackmailing aspect. I do not believe for one moment that Joe ever told Harlow what their financial status was prior to January 27, 2007. For all I know Joe may have felt things were going swell financially.

Afterwards, the last thing either of them would want would be to get a powerful politician mad at them. Moreover any rants or ravings by either of them disclosing the name of that politician would be dismissed along with all of other misrepresentations (or if you prefer outright lies)they were telling.

The reason why they mentioned the Senator would be Ego-Stroking; the need to feel self-important. Earning money by selling one's body becomes depressing after awhile unless one is selling it to someone important or powerful. Also there was the need to do something else to gain self esteem. Hence the stockcar races that they participated in.

Just because one commits one (or more) crimes does not make you guilty of other crimes lacking evidence that such a crime was committed.

Anonymous One

jim said...

"The potential number of US Senators that would come to Virginia Beach or nearby on any regular basis would be limited to those of Virginia or North Carolina ..."

No Harlow would have been flown to his destination, at the client's expense.

Just read BN's blog for confirmation of this, he tells stories of his air travel hassals to and from job assignments. When you are in the high end hooker market like BN and Harlow, you get flown around.

And we know they worked together, maybe the traveled together to work on this same Senator as well? And that's how they chatted?

So no, I wouldn't enter geography into this equation at all. It could be any of the 50 states.

jim said...

Ha:

"@TheKruezer—The rule amongst everyone in the gay porn industry has been to not mention this 65-year-old psychopath (who lives on his 94-year-old mother’s futon in their shared 1-bedroom apartment) in the hopes that he’ll go away, but after a decade of his scams, lies (which have genuinely hurt people), and deranged voicemails to models, it hasn’t worked. So, I’ll mention him one last time: Damon Kruezer (real name Kent Barclay) is a lunatic who’ll say literally anything to get attention and to fuel his twisted fantasy life. Everything he tweets is a lie. #Everything. Unfollow and report him for spam."

http://str8upgayporn.com/gay-porn-stars-on-twitter-whos-real-whos-fake-whos-the-best-and-whos-the-worst/

Anonymous said...

But Jim, if you are in the high end hooker market like Harlow and BN you get paid a lot. If they are willing to spring for an airline ticket, the fee for a night's stand must be in the thousands.

So much for your theory that Harlow (at least) was so desparate for money to stave off financial doom that he was willing to kill for it.

On the other hand, I believe good old honest and gentle Joe of the serene temper would killed just for more money. So matter how much Harlow was raking in, Joe would have wanted more.

Anonymous One

jim said...

Yeah we covered this already, trying to figure out how many hours a week Harlow would have to escort in order to make the minimum payments on his debts. I forget the exact numbers we came up with but the daily exertion on Harlow would have been prohibitive (even for him).

And there are only so many cash register clients out there, on top of that. Not all clients were Senators; some were fast food workers.

Albert said...

I asked some questions a while back to which there were no right or wrong answers as we cannot know the truth. Responses were appreciated. They were based on my personal experience with Sean, Grant and Bryan and of course my contact with DeWayne and San Diego.

Bryan went out of his way to seek out Sean or sites that promoted him. His purpose was to consistently justify his own actions by blaming the underage model for his actions. In my view, Bryan's need to justify his own actions and desperation to blame another exhibited a retardation of maturity dating back to his adolescent years. Something happened to him in his early teens that fixed his maturation in time. He could not get beyond accusing someone else for his own constant need to relive that period. He made good money off Sean but it was not enough. He needed control. Bryan needed to control Sean because Bryan could not control himself.

There was a hero or two in this saga beside the good public officers that pursued the truth, There are many ways to get to Blacks Beach. Only two are relatively convenient to the public. At the time these four gay dudes went down, they chose the most dangerous and steepest route available. Walking down a nearly vertical 300 foot cliff, one small push and the fall guy would surely die.

In retrospect we can say Sean and Grant had nothing to fear while Harlow and Joe had everything to lose. Grant could not rely on our retrospect. He alone had to protect Sean from these two. Grant is a big strong guy but gravity was the real danger here. Without our hindsight, Sean's little 'tummy hurts' could not compare to what was going on in Grant's mind.

Grant had the intelligence and maturity to know all that was hinging on this trip. He also knew the risks. He could not rely on any 'hope' to the contrary. This is the part of the story that required real courage. Grant was the right guy at the right time. Cutting a guys throat was just chicken shit by comparison.

Sean and Grant broke up but they still communicate If any two ex-boyfriends had a reason to respect each other, these two do.

I see no evidence that respect was ever part of the equation between Harlow and Joe.

jim said...

"At the time these four gay dudes went down, they chose the most dangerous and steepest route available. Walking down a nearly vertical 300 foot cliff, one small push and the fall guy would surely die."

Tell me about it, I remember thinking that same thing as I was walking down that "trail."

Anonymous said...

Albert:

One expects to find some bitchiness between partners. witness the opening of the Clam Digger (the night before the Black Beach Tape). If one were to only listen to Sean criticize Grant about his driving you would come to a different opinion. However since you know them better, you see the entire picture.

Likewise with Joe and Harlow we do not know all that was going on in detail. We know there were arguments, and the bullet holes in the bedroom would provide "ammunition" in support of your thesis.

My belief is that their relationship was deteriorating and the applications to Falcon and perhaps Cobra were an attempt by Harlow to escape the relationship with Joe. Yet, the break did not occur, and Harlow was loyal to Joe long after the events of January 27, 2007. That Harlow should have abandoned Joe after the arrest is something that others on this blog advocated and the absence of such could be considered a form of respect.

Anonymous One

will g said...

One expects to find some bitchiness between partners. witness the opening of the Clam Digger...

That would be Crab Catcher LOL. But Clam Digger isn't a bad name for seafood restaurant.

Albert said...

I totally missed that Will. Speed reading I guess but good catch. Clam Digger would be a fine name for a restaurant. An understandable mistake I might have made myself.

As far as Sean's reaction to Grant's driving, that might take a story or two. Remember the age difference here. Grant is a strong personality. Sean's defense sometimes was to 'flame on.' I was talking to Grant one night on the phone and at some point I could hear Sean yelling about something. Grant continued on like nothing was happening. It was just the way his young man blew off steam.

I had a similar experience with Sean. I was driving along a side road of a highway in Houston. We were looking for a place to eat. After passing some trees I saw a Mexican restaurant and asked Sean if Mexican sounded good. He wondered if it was Tex-Mex or Mexican. It looked Mexican to me, Having passed the first entrance I made a quick turn into the second entrance. It caught Sean off guard and he tensed up. He can get nervous with others driving.

To continue that story, I ordered the Enchilada Platter (about $12) while Sean ordered the Chicken Mole (about $30) What Sean got was a whole chicken. Not some little Cornish hen. This was a full bird. It was funny.

The division of powers existed between the two. In Chicago at the Hydrate gay bar, I sat in the corner, Grant was at my right selling the latest DVD's and some small posters. I collected the money while Sean was on my left signing the purchases and hugging the fans, spending a little time with them. At some point my left elbow hit Sean's long stem glass of wine, knocking it over. The glass did not break but the wine wine was lost. The look on his face could kill. Grant looked more concerned for my safety than anything else. I bought Sean a new glass of wine. Sean can communicate very well.

If you have ever heard Sean speak in public or on a live interview, you know he is eloquent and very intelligent. When he get's frustrated I think it is because of a limited formal education. That makes me sad.

Back to Bryan. DeWayne and I used alias last names while he was alive. Even after I thought it a good idea to keep some anonymity. DeWayne Helms you now know. I am Albert Potthast. An old Germanic name meaning copper-smith or pot-maker. The alias version of Albert Intexas, or just Altexas were modeled after DeWayne in San Diego.

Since we are about to say goodbye I will abuse Jim's blog a little. I need 16 more 'Likes' on my High School Seminary site before I can see the traffic data. It was a small boarding school. During my four years, the student body never numbered more than forty. I am of the class of 74 so you can see my teenage self a lot over four yearbooks. Everything there is my posting. I added the visuals to the music videos. They are not repeats from yearbooks and even the school archives at DePaul University do not have these images. Another story. If you are on Facebook, please like the entire site. That is what will help. https://www.facebook.com/StVincentDePaulSeminaryBeaumontTxTheVanguards

The conversations here have always been fun and more than often enlightening. It was a good discussion. Y'all be well.

I am not gone. If something else strikes me, you will be the first to know. :)

will g said...

This was apparently filmed at Grant's house. Seems they're going back into the porn business together.

will g said...

Someone just posted a link to this post from Jason Sechrest's blog, which is weird because A) I thought he took all his sites offline and B) it's the only post from that blog I can access. When I tried to navigate anywhere else on that site it doesn't go anywhere. Anyway it's an, um, interesting post.

will g said...

Lots of comments from you in that thread Jim!

Albert said...

Wow, a blast from the past. Nice to see those of us that were right were right on. Those who were wrong, well, they are gone.

I saved many pages from many sites but have never figured out how to post them. I can see them on my computer but that is it. Somebody thought this was important or relevant. In any case it was interesting.

Where exactly did you find it Will?

Albert said...

Thanks Will. After reading that post and the sometimes snarky comments, I did a test and just Google searched for jasonnewsdesk.blogspot.com There are quite a few pages archived in various locations.

In case there is still any doubt, the announcement was filmed in Grant's backyard. Thinking back now a couple of months, Grant posted a new picture of Sean standing next to his pool. DeWayne and I both commented about it and Grant just responded with a little smiley face.

I guess if Grant and Paul are willing to sleep in the same bed all the time, Sean could move back into his old room again. Pure wild imagination working.

will g said...

No it's not from an archive, in fact here's the entire most recent page of his blog. It's partially functional (the embedded video plays) and it's the original blogspot URL. But it doesn't continue beyond that page. As I said, weird.

Thought everyone might enjoy this. There's more on his page.

will g said...

I don't know why I said that was the most recent page, it isn't. It was just the first result when I googled it.

will g said...

Lo and behold the blogspot archive on that page is also functional. So you can probably find whatever it was you were looking for Jim.

Albert said...

WOW! Good find Will. The archive does work. Try this page, third article down titled, 'Rain on their Parade: Harlow & Brent Reconcile.' It's about their day on Black's Beach. I will explore more tomorrow I think. http://jasonnewsdesk.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_archive.html

Albert said...

I have gone through the archives of Jasons News Desk for articles that may be relevant for our discussion here. I did not include every award nomination or other such brief mention. They are listed below as they appear. That means that within each month, the top title is the latest for that month.

Dec 06 Most Interesting Gay Porn Personalities
Jan 07 Former Cobra Model on Kocis……
Who Killed Bryan Kocis?
Twists in Cobra Video Owners Murder
Feb 07 Brent: To Porn or Not to Porn?
Brent Speaks (note: this is the Jody Wheeler
Post with 458 comments)
We Need Answers
March 07 Brent Corrigan Explains It All For You
Clarification
Brent vs. Jeremy
Brent Talks to Gay Wired
April 07 Rain on Their Parade: Harlow and Brent…
Harlow Cuadra Explains It All For You!
May 07 With More Holes Than a Cobra Video
June 07 Brent Corrigan Leaves His Website
July 07 JSS Recap: Jason Ridge UNCENSORED!
Nov 07 Brent is Complaining Again
April 08 Dirty Bird Pictures’ “The Porn Ultimatum”
June 08 My First Week With Four Shows…….
Nov 08 “Everything You Wanted To Know About…
Harlow Cuadra (short video)
Dec 08 “12 Days of XXX-Mas”: Day Twelve
Feb 09 Brent Corrigan Takes the Stand
The Trial of Harlow Cuadra Begins
March 09 Gay VN: Lucas, Corrigan Dispute….
Brent & Michael: A Final Word
The Sword Weighs in With Brent vs..
Brent Corrigan Responds
An Evenings War Between Michael..
Michael Lucas Has Called The Police
Lucas Calls Out Corrigan For Child..
May 09 Grabby Awards Weekend Timeline: Day
Grabby Awards Weekend Timeline: Day
Dec 09 The Cast of “Getting Levi’s Johnson”
March 10 A First Look: Jet Set Men’s ‘Getting..

jim said...

Wow good stuff! Really brings back memories...

"Richard said...
Wow Jim, thanks for proving yourself to be a fucking prick! You know what... you deserve to have your throat slashed, your torso stabbed 28 times and then your body and your home set on fire.

4:40 PM "

jim said...

Well, I found the post I was looking for, which was the one the day of the verdict. But the comment section there seems incomplete (it cut off at 5 comments). I recall there being more. Oh well.

Anonymous said...

Ignoring the idiot whose name we shall not mention (hint has a multicolored website) and Jason Curious (who I always thought was more about self promotion and promoting his clients that he was agent for), we can go back to what Cameron Lane had to say to Jason about Bryan.

First, it has been said by others on this web site that Bryan could turn on the charm when he wanted to. He could also be vicious when he felt he was being challenged.

In Cameron's case, you have someone who made a lot of money for Bryan, did what Bryan asked to do, never challenged him, and most important was never someone that Bryan was in love with. So naturally, Bryan found it easy to turn on the charm and of course was never jealous of whom Cameron chose for Cameron's friends. So Cameron only saw the good side of Bryan.

Most likely the arguments and fights between Sean and Bryan were at first kept private from the other Cobra Boys.

Cameron seems from his statement to be a nice person who wants to be friends with most people. Hopefully he has gone on from his days in Porn to a more productive and ultimately happier existence.

We can learn from his statement that if you kowtowed to Bryan you usually only saw his good side. As Albert and Dwayne can attest, G-d help you if you got on his bad side.

Anomymous One

jim said...

"So Cameron only saw the good side of Bryan."

All good points.

will g said...

I was mostly surprised that he said Bryan was rigorous about giving models HIV tests before filming. First I've ever heard that.

Anonymous said...

Will:

It may have been for his own protection. He may have been "field testing" the models!!!

Anonymous One

will g said...

Probably true.

Albert said...

Tell me, go back in time and would you have trusted any "test" Bryan would have given for HIV? For that matter, even today, would you trust any test for HIV given by any porn producer? Even home tests for pregnancy have a percentage of error.

In the current events file, Paul Gunn, husband of Grant Roy has been cleared of all immigration charges and may now work towards full citizenship. My congratulations and condolences. Grant cannot be easy to live with. :)

Also this week, Fleshjack released a video of Brent Corrigan at Austin Pride last year. I tried to avoid it but yeah, I am in the blue shirt with my legs crossed like a fairy. Damn my hair is receding too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9uaUAkQgyw

I think the temperature that day peaked a 112. Only Sean had a body worth going shirtless. ... Sigh

Geoff Harvard said...

So Brent Corrigan is going back to porn. I guess it's hard to make a living in indie films if you restrict yourself to gay roles in gay themed movies. Some time ago I recommended to him that if the construction market came back, he should go to Seattle and get a job busting rod and pouring concrete. In a solid construction market, you can make good money busting rod and pouring concrete. Not so glamorous, though.

Anonymous said...

This is hot news. Joe and Harlow now qualify for ObamaCare. According to Fox News, the Obama Administration will be performing outreach programs to get felons to sign up for care. In most cases it will be medicaid since their job opportunities outside of prison may be limited. Of course getting Joe or Harlow to sign up will require a computer linkup in order to enroll, assuming the web site is working that day.

Anonymous One

Albert said...

Uhh, no. Joe and Harlow will not be signing up for Obamacare. Niether will be getting out of prison and will therefore receive free prison medical care for life.

As the most right wing conservative on this thread I can say, Obamacare is not a subject we bother with here.

jim said...

Yeah if there is one silver lining for Harlow and Joe its that prison health care is generally excellent so they can both rest easy on that score.

Anonymous said...

You guys are assuming that the Prison Care meets all of the standards set forth by the bureaucrats in Washington.

As you know all plans must include child dental care. Also birth control (reproductive control) for women. I feel sure that the Pennsylvania Penal Plan (the PPP) does not include those items. Therefore Harlow and Joe must elect a better plan provided by the Feds.

Anonymous One

Albert said...

I think I recognize you. You are one of Will's favorite bloggers. Well, maybe not his favorite but he does talk about you on occasion.

will g said...

Who are you addressing Albert? (As if I didn't know.) Was a comment deleted perchance? I'd be surprised if he finally found this thread at this late date.

will g said...

All health care is provided to prisoners in Pennsylvania. For some services they're charged a nominal fee of a few dollars. If a prisoner has private insurance, they do use that to pay for it. But that would apply only to prisoners who are in for very short sentences. Unless Harlow and Joe have suddenly became civic-minded and want to save PA money and burden their families with unnecessary insurance premiums, they do not have to concern themselves with Obamacare.

will g said...

HOPEFULLY there's some big news coming concerning the subject of your other blog Jim. You may need to open that one up as this one is winding down. There may never be a trial but this is the next best thing.

DeWayne In San Diego said...

A quick comment on Cameron Lane, he was staying with Sean and Grant for an extended period in early 2006 and Bryan and Robert found out about that. It was not pleasant for Cameron the volcanic reaction he received from Bryan over this "betrayal".

The comments made by Cameron Lane after Bryans death were not hard to understand. When someone is brutally murdered who you thought of in a positive way during most of their working relationship he might have wanted to over look one big fight.

I was always interested in why Cameron Lane was on the witness list and actually considered likely to travel to PA at one point.

I have always suspected several models living with Sean and Grant both in 2006 and 07 were interviewed by investigators. Would be the logical assumption.

A note about Bryans HIV testing I once angrily dismissed this as more Bryan propaganda about his professed concern for his models.

I also had a statement from a 2003 model who said no testing took place.

I have reassessed this for a couple of reasons. While I doubt but have no proof that testing was done in Florida for Poolboy in Feb 2004. I am almost certain testing was implemented by the time of the summer 2004 shoots.

The reason there was a porn industry shut down in Los Angeles April 2004 that had everyone concerned and led to tightening of test protocols in the straight biz.

That June (04) in San Diego Brent Everett and his then BF were scheduled to shoot with Sean.

I believe there was a reason that the two shoots were condom. I believe it demonstrates Bryan refused a BB shoot because of lack of testing or results of testing.

I do know the wild rumors of both Brent Everett and Brent Corrigan being positive surfaced in the Cobra fan community right after.(which imply's testing took place)

Sean I recall pointedly left test results out on his desk a number of years later to refute that rumor.

As for Brent Everett he to my knowledge only did one Bareback movie which had been filmed maybe 9 months before the two summer 2004 Cobra Videos.

jim said...

"HOPEFULLY there's some big news coming concerning the subject of your other blog Jim. You may need to open that one up as this one is winding down. There may never be a trial but this is the next best thing."

:-)

DeWayne In San Diego said...

New blog I missed that comment from Will.

will g said...

Stay tuned, don't want to jinx it.

jim said...

If it's too good to be true...

will g said...

Well the promised "deactivation" that was supposed to happen "within the hour" still hasn't happened almost three hours later. So...

BTW Jim, was that a deleted comment from him or one of his sockpuppets that Albert referenced earlier? Did he actually try to post something on here at long last? Just curious.

Albert said...

Will, the deleted post was mine. I responded the Anon at 8:50 and then thought better of it. The incorrigible nature of his comment struck me as one of his characteristic traits.

will g said...

Um, well if you were responding to A-1's 8:50 comment, then nothing was deleted. Moving along...

The Twitter account is now gone, the two blogs will follow soon, today hopefully.

jim said...

LOL

Anonymous said...

Actually my comments were a reflection on my opinion of the absurdity of the entire ObamaCare, not on the health care system in the Pennsylvania Penal System. Of course the alliteration of a Pennsylvania Physcotic Pharmasuctical Penal Presciption Plan is hard to pass up even if it does not exist.

Meanwhile we can back to bashing he whose name we can not mention.

A-1

Anonymous said...

I think I misspelled Psychotic.

Sorry

A-1

will g said...

Around the 30-minute mark, he actually starts choking up when talking about the murder. Warning, the audio is absolutely atrocious.

will g said...

(The video is cued up incorrectly, rewind to 30 min.)

Albert said...

THANK YOU WILL! I watched this live and the audio was horrible so my old ears missed a lot. I told Sean to speak up and he did for a short while but he is in a contemplative phase so reverts back to the quiet mode naturally. A break here.

Albert said...

Sean arrived in Austin Thursday. Ni ether he nor my contact at Flweshjack informed me and he made no public performance during his stay. He and Daniel did go to a gay bar on Fourth Street last night but it was as civilians.

This was made at Fleshjack Headquarters. I recognize the panel behind them and the little table they put their drinks on. Steve, the owner/creator loves the oriental motif. The office is filled with it. The office also has a full size basketball court, gym equipment, racquetball court and a photo studio where most of the Fleshlight and Flesdhjack stills are phothographed. A green screen area is separate from what you usually see. There is also a well stocked and equipped kitchen. asidde from the over-sized restrooms where much of the body part molding takes place. I photographed Brent Everett being molded there. The place is amazing It is in a collection of warehouses and looks like one from the outside.

My conclusion is this. Brent and Fleshjack are proceeding with him being their spokes model. Either that or he and Daniel have goten real close. In the later case, I am very jealous. I am better looking but have less money.

Albert said...

Jim, I try but the typos get through somehow. Why can't you let us edit our own mistakes. Some of us are senior citizens you know. Just getting on-line is a challenge.

jim said...

Is there a way to allow comment editing? If so let me know what it is...

And yeah, gah, they really botched the audio here on this one. Interesting though, especially when he emphasizes the point Kocis knew about his age, and correctly notes the general lack of knowledge on that point out there.

Anyways, we should probably wrap up and say our farewells, as March 12 is approaching soon...I frankly don't know if I'll be reopening this blog now, ever.

My current feeling is, if not much else happens out there besides Harlow's endless appeals, I'm not inclined to come back for even a brief reunion. I think we have all said our piece.

OTOH, if something earth-shattering occurs, like a prison break, or, some incredible new revelation not covered in the book...I may be tempted to wade back in with commentary, but most likely as a comment-er on PC's blog, and not here.

So, two more days until Victory/Closing day...

will g said...

Yeah, not a peep out of PA on the PCRA, and that's the only conceivable new development. So buh-bye Jim! It's been fun. See you at PC's perhaps. (So much "P" alliteration in one short comment!)

DeWayne In San Diego said...

Yes Jim everytime Will or Albert sent me a email oh this is on Jim's blog I was thinking wait Silence has been open a whole year?

Well it will have been in two days. ;-)

Anonymous said...

Jim:

I hope you will reconsider and reopen once the appeal decision is revealed.

While this blog is nominally about Harlow and Joe, we have had updates on a whole cast of individuals some like Mason Wilder who absolutely nothing to do with Harlow or Joe.

And while we have been discussing a horrible murder and the destruction of a home (by fire), we have used various means such as gallow humor, and "alliteration" to lighten things up.

Fortunately none of us who have participated are murderers (except of the English Language) or arsonists (except when provoking an issue verbally). In the end we can debate these issues without any fallout, and without inflicting any more harm than the victims of this crime have already been subjected to. Moreover you have created a more open forum than the others who report on this incident.

I for one will continue to monitor this site and hope that you do re-open on March 12, 2015 or sooner should some developments occur of interest.

Best wishes,

Anonymous One

jim said...

Aaaaaand it's here! Happy Victory Day everyone!

Farewell!!!